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Is this a call? Is his shove polarised here? Is this a call? Is his shove polarised here?

08-13-2011 , 06:17 PM
Very early on in a HU sng. No reads.

    Poker Stars, $14.29 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10268802

    SB: 1,470 (73.5 bb)
    Hero (BB): 1,530 (76.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with K 9
    SB raises to 40, Hero calls 20

    Flop: (80) 2 4 4 (2 players)
    Hero checks, SB checks

    Turn: (80) 9 (2 players)
    Hero bets 40, SB calls 40

    River: (160) 2 (2 players)
    Hero bets 100, SB raises to 1,390 and is all-in, Hero calls 1,290




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    08-13-2011 , 06:36 PM
    An easy fold for me, to be honest. I can't really see him not c-betting this flop with high cards and pocket pairs. So his range consists of monsters and total air. But. I don't see him not c-betting, say, A2 either. A4, K4 are possible. Besides, with what has he called on the turn? Also, we are in the vacuum: He might be shoving just because he 'doesn't think' you have it, but he might also be playing a mind game. (Like he put you on a 9 is trying to make it look like a bluff.) So... unsure -- fold! The second option is kind of more likely, IMO.
    Do you mind posting or PMing me the result?
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    08-13-2011 , 06:49 PM
    insta fold. Never call here! He is very likely trying to make it look like a bluff. I don`t think he would do it with air.
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    08-13-2011 , 06:50 PM
    easy fold, always a 4 hoping you have the 2 imo...
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    08-13-2011 , 07:16 PM
    peskey123: calls 1290

    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Prrrophet: shows [2d 2s] (four of a kind, Deuces)
    peskey123: shows [Kh 9d] (two pair, Nines and Fours)
    Prrrophet collected 2940 from pot

    Prrrophet said, ")"

    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 2940 | Rake 0
    Board [2c 4c 4d 9h 2h]
    Seat 1: Prrrophet (button) (small blind) showed [2d 2s] and won (2940) with four of a kind, Deuces
    Seat 2: peskey123 (big blind) showed [Kh 9d] and lost with two pair, Nines and Fours
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    08-13-2011 , 07:20 PM
    Yeah. IMO, his shove is quite nice here.
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    08-13-2011 , 07:26 PM
    ye, bad call OBV. I was just wondering if he was shoving air as much here, as shoving the nuts.
    Fair play to him.
    GG
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    08-13-2011 , 08:08 PM
    ...or quads hoping you have a 4 obv

    just remember that this line is almost always the nuts...
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    08-14-2011 , 05:08 AM
    This si one of those spots that you call and look back and realize how much sense his hand makes
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    08-14-2011 , 10:27 AM
    yes his range is probably polarized. no, it isn't balanced and hence you should not call.
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    08-14-2011 , 11:04 AM
    Yeah I just fold.
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    08-14-2011 , 12:42 PM
    I can't decide if bet-fold or check-call (a normal sized bet) is better.
    Probably c-c since you save money when he shoves and you can just fold.
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    08-14-2011 , 01:19 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by crymysyn
    I can't really see him not c-betting this flop with high cards and pocket pairs. So his range consists of monsters and total air. But. I don't see him not c-betting, say, A2 either. A4, K4 are possible. Besides, with what has he called on the turn?
    Just pulling this out because it has to do w/ my reply below (I do agree to folding the river). I think against a lot of players this line of reasoning is pretty good... The thing is, at these stakes, I think you kind of have to give unk or bad opponent's credit for being able to do really weird or unexpected things A LOT. Accordingly:

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by r8sUalln8
    I can't decide if bet-fold or check-call (a normal sized bet) is better.
    Probably c-c since you save money when he shoves and you can just fold.
    I think you have to bet because if he has any 9x or Ax and perhaps some stubborn pps he will likely call. He may even talk himself into calling off K high. It's not the type of board where you expect him to have a ton of missed draws he can bluff with and I'm never giving him credit for turning any kind of sd-able hand into a bluff w/o reads. I guess I just don't want to give him the chance to check-back anything that he would otherwise have called with.

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    08-14-2011 , 03:18 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by themuppets
    Just pulling this out because it has to do w/ my reply below (I do agree to folding the river). I think against a lot of players this line of reasoning is pretty good... The thing is, at these stakes, I think you kind of have to give unk or bad opponent's credit for being able to do really weird or unexpected things A LOT. Accordingly:



    I think you have to bet because if he has any 9x or Ax and perhaps some stubborn pps he will likely call. He may even talk himself into calling off K high. It's not the type of board where you expect him to have a ton of missed draws he can bluff with and I'm never giving him credit for turning any kind of sd-able hand into a bluff w/o reads. I guess I just don't want to give him the chance to check-back anything that he would otherwise have called with.

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    Nice post, nice reasoning. I agree with bet-folding on the river. There's a ton of reasons a random player can think himself into checking on the flop and calling on the turn with A-high, K-high and such.
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    08-14-2011 , 03:26 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by r8sUalln8
    I can't decide if bet-fold or check-call (a normal sized bet) is better.
    Probably c-c since you save money when he shoves and you can just fold.
    bet fold is wayy better imo then c/call
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    08-14-2011 , 06:33 PM
    ok. just thought since villain called our bet ott and might be floating so we have to give him a chance to bluff his junk hands more often than getting a call ott and otr from a k-highish hand.
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