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C-bet facing shove on the river,AQo. C-bet facing shove on the river,AQo.

09-22-2015 , 07:32 AM
    Pacific, $0.36 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37123367

    SB: 1,000 (33.3 bb)
    Hero (BB): 1,000 (33.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q A :: ::
    SB raises to 60, Hero raises to 172, SB calls 112

    Flop: (344) 9 2 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets 202, SB raises to 828 and is all-in, Hero calls 626 and is all-in

    Turn: (2,000) 8 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: (2,000) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 2,000 pot
    Final Board: 9 2 4 8 6
    SB showed 5 A :: :: and lost (-1,000 net)
    Hero showed Q A :: :: and won 2,000 (1,000 net)



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    Villain has a propensity to check-raise my c-bet with air and continue double barreling with air on many turns and take weird lines in many spots.
    He limps a super wide range OTB and calls a fairly wide range OOP.
    From my reads he is playing his draws pretty aggresively but when he doesn't hit he never bluffs.
    You think calling it off here is fine??
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    09-22-2015 , 07:51 AM
    Preflop - 3betshove is much better, but if you really want to light3bet then go with bigger sizing
    Flop - Smaller cbet, fold to shove
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    09-22-2015 , 08:06 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by shawnest
    Preflop - 3betshove is much better, but if you really want to light3bet then go with bigger sizing
    Flop - Smaller cbet, fold to shove
    I dont understand why I should go for a bigger sizing pre flop.
    I mean my sizing looks ok.Anything bigger shouldn't accomplish anything.
    I want to take value from worse hands and I am not light 3-betting here.
    This 3-bet is for value,I have AQo and I want want to get stacks in.
    3-bet shoving with 35 BB deep is not at all optimal.
    There is so much room to play post flop and make decisions.
    As for my flop bet sizing I dont like it either,I think betting 150-170 would do the same thing with a 202 bet.
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    09-22-2015 , 08:38 AM
    Anyway why is the topic C-bet facing shove on the river,AQo, when there is no river action nor turn.
    He raised preflop so we can give him a pretty strong range something like (AA,JJ-77,AJs-A5s,KJs+,QJs,JTs,AQo-A7o,KTo+,QJo)
    I guess he is going to flat this 100%, maybe folding weaker unsuited Axs.
    You're front of against this range and you are able to call it if you think that his range is bluff heavy. If he is shoving sets, overpair, TP you are pretty much crushed.
    You had a read that he is x/r barreling weak hands, maybe this indicates that he is shoving his value.

    Its hard to give exact answer, I dont really know population tendencies at 36 cents, but its possible that my whole ranges are not in line with that. You have to make a lot of assumptions in this situation, follow them and calculate whats the most ev here.
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    09-22-2015 , 11:26 AM
    I actually like your cbet sizing. It's often best to cbet >1/2 pot on a low flop vs a player who often raises cbets (often with overs on a low flop), to let him think that he has less fold equity, especially this shallow. It looks like you have a piece of the board if you cbet 2/3 pot, and you get better odds if villain shoves. However, this strategy only applies vs somewhat thinking players.

    I'm not sure if 3betting NAI in this spot is optimal, given his tight min-raising range.
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