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11-10-2008 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by xSCWx
You need ~2000 games to get an accurate representation of your ROI but you would be insane to stick around that long with 10% ROI. If you feel like you're better than your competition at the $22s then I don't think you will run into any trouble in the $33s. Just step back down if it doesn't go as planned.

Jesus, Does anybody ever put in the games to get accurate representation? I'm just shy of 2K games total since I started in Feb. Assuming that we always learn when we play, doesn't this large sample pretty much become obsolete as our games progress with practice?

Thanks for the info.
11-10-2008 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by punchespilot
Jesus, Does anybody ever put in the games to get accurate representation? I'm just shy of 2K games total since I started in Feb. Assuming that we always learn when we play, doesn't this large sample pretty much become obsolete as our games progress with practice?

Thanks for the info.
More or less yes, that is why you have to attempt to stay clear minded and just focus on your game play rather than on the results every week or month.

That being said, if you are killing games with a decent sample (think like 10-15% ROI over 300-600) games, you'll start to see a more accurate sample quickly, as opposed to having a 2% true ROI over 2k games, where a lot of different things can probably happen with your graph/swings/results.
11-10-2008 , 06:20 PM
ok what do you guys do with 88 utg
11-10-2008 , 06:21 PM
i mean in the sb lol
11-10-2008 , 06:44 PM
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ok what do you guys do with 88 utg
I quit pornotube and paly the hand
11-10-2008 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by punchespilot
I started at the 5's w/ $50 BR, but I was prepared to deposit again if I went busto. If you are prepared to do that, start at the 5's. The rake is a little bit better than the 2's.

If you are not comfortable, start at the 2's and maybe when you have $65 take a 3BI shot at the 5's. You should be able to stick with them pretty quick.

Good luck.
Yeah, the rake kinda bothers me.. At the 2's it is 0.15, and at the 5's and 6's it's 0.25, which is less then half of the 2's rake.
11-12-2008 , 08:41 AM
I have a question about 3-bet shoving ranges in HUSNGS

Situation:

Villain started the match off being quite passive and is generally a bad player, he over-values hands and will call down quite light. Now that the blinds are quite high, villain has become a bit more aggro and has shoved over our opening raises a couple of times. We have played a couple of SNGs with villain prior to this one and have seen that he is capable of 'taking a gamble' sometimes and he has been known to call shoves with hands like 56s sometimes.

The blinds are 25/50 you have a 2200 stack and villain has an 800 stack

What hands to you 3-bet shove with vs villains opening raise and what hands do you call a shove with? Also, how do you adjust your opening range?
11-12-2008 , 05:48 PM
Hey I've just moved to full tilt from stars playing NL100. I had heard that the player base is stronger at fulltilt but I basically found myself playing winning regs all day. At PS the players were really bad and even that 4-5 regs I knew were worse than the regs at FTP.

Am I getting a really bad run of opponents or is that 100% standard?
11-12-2008 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by szamvan
Hey I've just moved to full tilt from stars playing NL100. I had heard that the player base is stronger at fulltilt but I basically found myself playing winning regs all day. At PS the players were really bad and even that 4-5 regs I knew were worse than the regs at FTP.

Am I getting a really bad run of opponents or is that 100% standard?
Hey
I started playing NL100 about a month ago and i find there to be a ton of fish at this limit. However, I am basically never playing regs. I really advocate table selection by playing players who are only playing 1 table of hu. In addition, I have no problem leaving the table provided i dont feel I have an edge.
11-12-2008 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWooster
I have a question about 3-bet shoving ranges in HUSNGS

Situation:

Villain started the match off being quite passive and is generally a bad player, he over-values hands and will call down quite light. Now that the blinds are quite high, villain has become a bit more aggro and has shoved over our opening raises a couple of times. We have played a couple of SNGs with villain prior to this one and have seen that he is capable of 'taking a gamble' sometimes and he has been known to call shoves with hands like 56s sometimes.

The blinds are 25/50 you have a 2200 stack and villain has an 800 stack

What hands to you 3-bet shove with vs villains opening raise and what hands do you call a shove with? Also, how do you adjust your opening range?
depends how wide he is opening his button and how much fold equity you have obv

given your reads that he "takes a gamble"...

i would 3bet shove AX, KT+, QJ, any pair
11-13-2008 , 06:33 AM
You want to download a program called "shortstack calculator"...it's a great tool to learn how to deal with shoving in general. Just google it.
11-13-2008 , 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Radeh
You want to download a program called "shortstack calculator"...it's a great tool to learn how to deal with shoving in general. Just google it.
Have googled it but can't seem to find it....?
11-13-2008 , 03:04 PM
"Figured I could ask if this would be a good idea... or I could just make it myself and see if anyone objects.

So here it is. Have a beginner's question? Want to know what size bankroll you need or whether or not to raise 67s preflop? Post your non-thread deserving questions here!"

10 9 suited in CO 25c/50c have about $20 everybody has called... call or raise.. and if raise how much? Thanks
11-13-2008 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Taste_Them_Aces
"Figured I could ask if this would be a good idea... or I could just make it myself and see if anyone objects.

So here it is. Have a beginner's question? Want to know what size bankroll you need or whether or not to raise 67s preflop? Post your non-thread deserving questions here!"

10 9 suited in CO 25c/50c have about $20 everybody has called... call or raise.. and if raise how much? Thanks
Call. Your hand is great in multiway pots and you don't want to risk being pushed off of your hand if you raise and someone decides to come over the top. Turning your hand into a semi-bluff against one person is reasonable, but against 5-9 (I don't know what type of table this is) it is suicide.
11-13-2008 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWooster
Have googled it but can't seem to find it....?
This is what you're looking for
11-14-2008 , 04:36 AM
Ok, a few n00b questions:
1) I have won a little more than 70% of my games at the 10's on FT (for a grand total of 50 games), is that winrate sustainable with good table selection in the non-turbos?

2) Why is it that all the regs seem to play turbos? Would my hourly prob. be higher playing those?

3) Is it reasonable to grind your current limit until you have 40 buyins for the next limit? Is that too nitty of a BR requirement?

4) How do you guys handle people who lead out at you for greater than full pot? I just played against some fish who was leading whenever he caught a piece for > 1.5x the pot, and it was tilting me like mad.

Thanks in advance for answering any/all of these q's.
11-14-2008 , 04:51 AM
Hi guys,

I just read CWAR's article on getting started in HUSNG's and in it he mentions going through hand histories to get better at hand reading.

Do we review each of or games immediately afterwards, or a couple days after? Do we look at every single hand to get a read on our opps if its a few days after the fact or is that too time consuming and we should just focus on the big hands.

Thanks.
11-14-2008 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Iron Tamer
Hi guys,

I just read CWAR's article on getting started in HUSNG's and in it he mentions going through hand histories to get better at hand reading.

Do we review each of or games immediately afterwards, or a couple days after? Do we look at every single hand to get a read on our opps if its a few days after the fact or is that too time consuming and we should just focus on the big hands.

Thanks.
I review the following day usually. I don't review all of them, but some people probably do and for starters it's probably not a bad idea. Anytime I get out-played I def review the whole match. I make note to review interesting matches/hands etc. Sometimes post hands here to get input.
11-14-2008 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jaglawson
Ok, a few n00b questions:
1) I have won a little more than 70% of my games at the 10's on FT (for a grand total of 50 games), is that winrate sustainable with good table selection in the non-turbos? 50 games is far too small a sample. Just focus on playing your best game right now and let the numbers fall where they will. 55%-60% is good over the long run I think.

2) Why is it that all the regs seem to play turbos? Would my hourly prob. be higher playing those? I play turbos because the rake is a little bet less and I can get more games in. Some people play reg speed because it allows their edge more time to work for them. To each his own.

3) Is it reasonable to grind your current limit until you have 40 buyins for the next limit? Is that too nitty of a BR requirement? A bit nittish. 30 BI for next level is standard. Some people do less. All dependent on your comfort level. I'm a BR nit so I usually did 35-40 depending.

4) How do you guys handle people who lead out at you for greater than full pot? I just played against some fish who was leading whenever he caught a piece for > 1.5x the pot, and it was tilting me like mad. Punish them when you have a hand, stay out of the way if you don't.

Thanks in advance for answering any/all of these q's.
punches
11-14-2008 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Radeh
Wow thanks for this, pretty awesome program.
11-14-2008 , 10:18 PM
Defending 3-bets with hands that don't have top pair value in Cash games with 100BB stacks: Against a non nit who's 3-betting liberally is it profitable to start defending hands like 56s or 79s etc to 3-bets? Or do we need to be deeper then 100BB? I guess if we defend we'll have to bluff-raise or float a good amount of the time for this to be profitable right?
11-15-2008 , 01:07 AM
A sticking point of mine is small pocket pairs when I 3bet. For instance if I have 55 and the flop is J64 , against what kinda oponents should I bet, c/call, etc? Also can I just flat call with small pocket pairs preflop instead?
11-15-2008 , 02:38 AM
I'm just starting out in HU so these are some thoughts on playing small pairs, no idea if this is right or wrong

I think I flat small pairs more then I 3-bet.. I'm not great OOP in 3-bet pots so I just try to play to my strengths and keep the pot small, also if I'm playing a bad player I'd rather call and try to stack instead of 3-bet and get myself into troublesome spots.. That said, I think if your villain is raising the button a ton and not defending much, or just playing straightforward post flop you could 3-bet them profitably... If they 4-bet a decent amount I'd rather flat, don't want to fold a hand pre-flop that has that much potential value, I'd rather 3-bet pure trash to build up a wide 3-bet range then 3-bet small pairs

If I did 3-bet 55 and the flop is J64 I'd bet out for sure, otherwise it would just be a guessing game and villains are going to fire with anything on these flops.
11-15-2008 , 03:34 AM
$10.5 HUSNG Blinds 10/20 Hero t1510 in BB Villain t1490. Second hand and I have not seen him before. (Sorry this is on Bodog and I don't know how to get my HHs)

Dealt 10 4
Villain completes and Hero checks (Pot=t40)

Flop 8 4 10
Villain bets t20, Hero raises t80, Villain calls t60 (Pot=200)

Turn Q
Villain bets t160, Hero raises t440, Villain reraises all in t1230, Hero?

Am I beat by too many holdings to call here? It's literally only my third day of playing HU so i'm sorry if this is obvious. If anyone can provide a link on hand value HU without reads or something I would appreciate it.
11-15-2008 , 04:49 AM
that hand seems fine, he has a draw or pair + draw a ton the way he played it.. You're raising the turn to get it in.

I'm a bit confused with the HH, if he completes and you check, don't you act first preflop?

      
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