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This hand wasn't played by me.. but I'm really interested in your thoughts. Villain's been raising superwide and cbetting 85% of time. Is overbet shoving turn a better play in this spot?

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NL Holdem $20(BB) Replayer
Hero ($1,760)
($1,240)

Dealt to Hero Td Kd

raises to $40, Hero calls $20

FLOP ($80) Ts Qd 3d

Hero checks, bets $80, Hero raises to $240, calls $160

TURN ($560) Ts Qd 3d J s

Hero bets $320, calls $320

RIVER ($1,200) Ts Qd 3d Js 3s

Hero checks, bets $640 (AI), Hero folds

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Originally Posted by manefon

it seems that my questions are getting ignored in this thread.

Fair enough!

Why did you bet the turn here and what are your reasons for considering an overbet turn shove?

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10-13-2010 , 05:45 PM

#228

newluck2k

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Not thread worthy but jw if this is stnd/ok:

Villain is vinny ferret and has c/r'd same size ATTcc with 37o or smth before in this game. He seemed more spewy then usual this match

Poker Stars $22+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 2 players

Hero (BTN/SB): t1905 63.50 BBs
BB: t1095 36.50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN/SB with 5

Hero raises to t60, BB calls t30

Flop: (t120) 8

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t70, BB raises to t210, Hero calls t140

Turn: (t540) 3

(2 players)
BB bets t300, Hero calls t300

River: (t1140) 9

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

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10-13-2010 , 06:19 PM

#229

manefon

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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy

Fair enough!

Why did you bet the turn here and what are your reasons for considering an overbet turn shove?

again, I didn't play this hand..and posted it here from another forum.

We have a monster draw + TP .. let's assume that villain's calling range on turn is
xdxd,K9o,K3o,Q8o-2o,J9+,Jc8d,Jc8h,Jc8s,Jd8h,Jd8s,Jh8s,Tc9d,Tc9h,Tc9 s,Td9h
,Td9s,Th9s

Vs this range we have ~52% eq... So, checking is probably fine.. But i don't know, I got a gut feeling that overbet shoving and putting villain in an ackward spot is much better..

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10-13-2010 , 06:26 PM

#230

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Originally Posted by newluck2k

Hero raises to t60, BB calls t30

Flop: (t120) 8

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t70, BB raises to t210, Hero calls t140

Turn: (t540) 3

(2 players)
BB bets t300, Hero calls t300

River: (t1140) 9

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turning your hand into a bluff and 3bet shoving flop is probably gonna be +EV vs this villain imo. Vs unknown I'm folding flop

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10-13-2010 , 08:20 PM

#231

ChicagoRy

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Originally Posted by manefon

It looks to me like a lot of the weaker part of his range is going to fold to such a bet.

If all of that range calls a smaller bet, it can make sense to bet again, but I think checking in this spot is probably better, some of those weaker hands are pretty loose flop calls as well and probably less likely than some of the ones that do better against KT here.

I'm curious to see what others think, but I'd advocate a turn check in this spot.

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10-14-2010 , 06:15 AM

#232

Double

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Do you think it's better to play @ ipoker on 55% rb or go to pokerstars w/ smaller rb, but more bad players? I'm playing $52.5 atm.

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10-14-2010 , 11:40 AM

#233

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Originally Posted by Double

Do you think it's better to play @ ipoker on 55% rb or go to pokerstars w/ smaller rb, but more bad players? I'm playing $52.5 atm.

Are the players on Stars really worse than Ipoker?

What's the rake like on Ipoker, 5% or 10%?

What's your volume look like per month?

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10-14-2010 , 11:41 AM

#234

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eurosites are softer in general yes

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10-14-2010 , 11:44 AM

#235

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Originally Posted by spamz

eurosites are softer in general yes

Yes, that's what I always assumed, at every level.

The quote said that Stars had "more bad players." I guess that could technically be correct, but they have more good players as well and overall Stars should be tougher.

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10-14-2010 , 11:59 AM

#236

Big Rig 33

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Hey guys

just out of curiosity is there much content and strategy to super turbo HUSNG out there??

cheers

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10-14-2010 , 12:09 PM

#237

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Originally Posted by Big Rig 33

Hey guys

just out of curiosity is there much content and strategy to super turbo HUSNG out there??

cheers

There is some focused material (hands in this forum, Cog Dissonance and Mersenneary husng.com videos for example) but to truly utilize everything available for super turbos, you'll want to really focus on mid to end game concepts, which you can find in any type of good heads up sng strategy article/video/thread (good place to start would be spamzor's HH reviews and end game thread here on 2p2, it's in the sticky).

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10-14-2010 , 12:11 PM

#238

einkillahertz

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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy

What's the rake like on Ipoker, 5% or 10%?

regular, turbo, superturbo = 5%

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10-14-2010 , 12:20 PM

#239

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Originally Posted by einkillahertz

regular, turbo, superturbo = 5%

It sounds like you are definitely better off on Ipoker for now. 55% rakeback is better than everything you can get on PokerStars aside from SuperNovaElite (not really possible at 50s).

Ipoker should give you an easier opponent on average and a better rake return.

Now, if you find yourself having to wait 30 minutes for games or something crazy, then PokerStars might become your best option. The way Stars and FTP have gobbled up traffic (even more so for Stars it seems), that's beginning to look realistic at many rooms when you reach the $50 or $100 levels.

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10-14-2010 , 12:37 PM

#240

Almito

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Villain is rather aggro but not calling too much oop. First flop c/r.
Should I fold turn?

Full Tilt Poker $11 + $0.50 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BB: t1715 42.88 BBs
Hero (BTN/SB): t1285 32.12 BBs

Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is BTN/SB with A

Hero raises to t80, BB calls t40

Flop: (t160) K

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t80, BB raises to t160, Hero calls t80

Turn: (t480) 2

(2 players)
BB bets t200, Hero calls t200

River: (t880) 5

(2 players)
BB bets t1275 all in, Hero folds

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10-14-2010 , 12:38 PM

#241

Double

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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy

Wow, I honestly thought that stars has easier games.

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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy

Yeah I was pretty frustrated at the time of my first post about action. I think I stick with ipoker then. I might think again when I reach $100 level.

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10-14-2010 , 12:43 PM

#242

einkillahertz

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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy

true, except for superturbos. Tilt has 50% lower rake at superturbos than ipoker. btw it's possible to get a better deal than 55 on ipoker.

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10-14-2010 , 01:32 PM

#243

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Originally Posted by einkillahertz

true, except for superturbos. Tilt has 50% lower rake at superturbos than ipoker. btw it's possible to get a better deal than 55 on ipoker.

He was comparing Ipoker and Stars, I wouldn't imagine Ipoker STs would be beatable (or worth playing even if beatable) after looking at FTP's for some time now.

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10-14-2010 , 02:05 PM

#244

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Full Tilt Poker $11 + $0.50 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BTN/SB: t1500 37.50 BBs
Hero (BB): t1500 37.50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is BB with J

BTN/SB raises to t80, Hero calls t40

Flop: (t160) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t160, Hero raises to t480, BTN/SB calls t320

Turn: (t1120) 2

(2 players)
Hero ???

I have trouble in spots like this. With the flush draw/gutshot/overcard I have odds to call a shove if I check, so should I be check/calling in this spot, or shoving? Or something else?

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10-14-2010 , 02:15 PM

#245

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c/c'ing is brutal here really, if he folds 10% vs your openjam then you're better off just sticking it in yourself

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10-14-2010 , 02:16 PM

#246

einkillahertz

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is it a standard shove vs unknown at $10? no reads on villain whatsoever as it was the 1st hand

No Limit Holdem Tournament
iPoker
2 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero (1,500)
BB (1,500)

Blinds: 10/20

Pre-Flop: (30, 2 players) Hero is BTN Q

Hero raises to 60, BB calls 40

Flop: Q

(120, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 80, BB raises to 360, Hero goes all-in 1,440, BB calls 1,080

Turn: J

(3,000, 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: 4

(3,000, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: 3,000

Spoiler:

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10-14-2010 , 02:32 PM

#247

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Originally Posted by spamz

c/c'ing is brutal here really, if he folds 10% vs your openjam then you're better off just sticking it in yourself

Okay, thanks. That's the way I played it in game, but I wasn't sure afterwards. I was thinking that maybe I can check because sometimes he will check behind and I get to see a free river. But now I realize that most of the hands he checks behind will fold if I shove, and I'm never getting any value from those hands when I hit on the river anyway.

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10-14-2010 , 02:43 PM

#248

Double

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Originally Posted by einkillahertz

true, except for superturbos. Tilt has 50% lower rake at superturbos than ipoker. btw it's possible to get a better deal than 55 on ipoker.

Forgot this part completely. I would really appreciate if someone would send me a pm about where I could find these deals

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10-14-2010 , 03:36 PM

#249

einkillahertz

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Originally Posted by Double

Forgot this part completely. I would really appreciate if someone would send me a pm about where I could find these deals

well, you can either wait until I have PMs enabled or ask for rb at rakeback/affiliates subforum. I get 60 but even 70 is possible if you rake $4k+ per month.

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10-14-2010 , 05:09 PM

#250

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We can't really talk about specific rakeback stuff here.

You can mention things like Stars VIP or FTP 27% (bc it's a max) but the variable deals like Ipoker and such should be talked about in the affiliate subforum (as einkillahertz mentions).

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