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10-04-2011 , 07:41 PM
I am new to the forum and relatively new to the game. My first goal is to beat PS HU hyper-turbos, at level 1.44+0.06$.
Any advice is welcome.

Because these games are so fast I'm wondering if they are essentially readless or if you can get an idea of your opponent's type after only a few hands and how. What are the most common types of players at this level?

Cheers.
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10-04-2011 , 07:49 PM
and hyper-/superturbos thread



Quote:
Originally Posted by azoryen
What are the most common types of players at this level?
bad ones

Last edited by Yasawa; 10-04-2011 at 07:55 PM.
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10-04-2011 , 09:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yasawa

bad ones
Could you be more specific?
My experience so far is that people don't seem to fold much and that makes it hard to win if I don't flop a few pairs on my first hands. I know I'm supposed to wait for good hands and value bet a lot, but if I wait too long I can quickly find myself 350/650 in chips in this format, which is far worse than being 1350/1650 in a normal turbo.
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10-04-2011 , 10:16 PM
Don't ask basic questions like these, you'll answer them yourself when you play and study, rinse and repeat.
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10-04-2011 , 10:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bunzablood
Don't ask basic questions like these, you'll answer them yourself when you play and study, rinse and repeat.
What use is this forum then?
Is it reserved for state of the art poker or something?
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10-04-2011 , 11:33 PM
At this first stage, it's better to study than to ask IMO. Read the advice on these 2p2 pages, starting with the Beginner's thread and links that Chadders and Yasawa gave you above. When you are a bit more comfortable, have more games under your belt, then start asking questions. I am a firm believer that when you figure things out yourself you will advance further, and that starts with basic questions like what you have. Don't give a man a fish to eat, teach him the art of fishing.

Or, post specific hands and ask for optimal lines.
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10-04-2011 , 11:43 PM
Familiarize yourself with Nash and S/C. Watch the free HUSNG videos and save up for a standard membership. Read this forum and ask questions. Review your hands after/before a session.
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10-05-2011 , 09:13 AM
Just play an ABC style vs these players, you'll be surprised how bad they're willing to get it in.
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10-05-2011 , 02:20 PM
Thanks for the feedback. Some nice advice there.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bellagibro
Familiarize yourself with Nash and S/C.
Risking to ask a truly basic question, but what is S/C?
As for Nash, I found the tables and can't really make any sense of the calling ranges. I mean, shouldn't a call all-in always dependent on the opponent's range?
For example, after 20 hands blinds are 20/40 and a player limped 70% and folded 30% in the button, then suddenly moves in with 400 left. Do you think you should call with Q7s like the table suggests?
The pushing ranges make more sense if your goal is simply to play in a way that is not exploitable, but again I think it's possible to do better than that.

Last edited by azoryen; 10-05-2011 at 02:40 PM.
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10-05-2011 , 04:12 PM
Nash: You only want to use Nash below 8bb effective stacks. Above that, play poker. Further, there are better ways to get Max EV than merely following charts (even below 8bb). If you find you have a good read on opponent, then by all means do not follow Nash, you'll likely get better results.

S/C: Sklansky-Chubukov push strategy from SB..similar to Nash.

http://www2.decf.berkeley.edu/~chubukov/rankings.html

Or, I made a chart I'll include here for you:

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10-05-2011 , 09:08 PM
Thanks for the information.
In a hyper turbo HU SNG, you guys think it's wise to follow the same pushing strategy for a given effective stack whether you are the short stack or the big stack?
For example, with blinds at 20/40, do you push with the same ranges if you are 200/800 or 800/200 in chips? Eff stack is always 5 BB's, but shouldn't survivability be taken in consideration somehow?
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10-05-2011 , 09:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by azoryen
Thanks for the information.
In a hyper turbo HU SNG, you guys think it's wise to follow the same pushing strategy for a given effective stack whether you are the short stack or the big stack?
For example, with blinds at 20/40, do you push with the same ranges if you are 200/800 or 800/200 in chips? Eff stack is always 5 BB's, but shouldn't survivability be taken in consideration somehow?
Yes, 200/800 or 800/200 u play as if u have 200. Survivability? This means deviating from the optimum line and that's not good...u wind up folding too much or shoving too much.
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10-05-2011 , 09:33 PM
Nash's pushing chart and calling chart is game theory optimal, there is no calling or pushing range that villain can have that can exploit you, however if you think villain is calling to wide or folding to much, then you can adjust. Nash - game theory optimal without variables taken into consideration, if you think villain is gonna only call with AJs+ and 99+ or something, go ahead and just keep jamming
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10-06-2011 , 08:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by azoryen
What use is this forum then?
Is it reserved for state of the art poker or something?
The strat forums on 2+2 will help those who help themselves. If you're self-motivated then you would have already found the best bits from replies ITT before you posted this question, and you would be well on your way.

But if you need spoon-feeding then you are probably not going to make it to the top of the tree.
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01-20-2012 , 03:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bunzablood
Nash: You only want to use Nash below 8bb effective stacks. Above that, play poker. Further, there are better ways to get Max EV than merely following charts (even below 8bb). If you find you have a good read on opponent, then by all means do not follow Nash, you'll likely get better results.

S/C: Sklansky-Chubukov push strategy from SB..similar to Nash.

http://www2.decf.berkeley.edu/~chubukov/rankings.html

Or, I made a chart I'll include here for you:



Can someone explain to me what the numbers on this board means?Are these the SB?In what stacks can I take into consideration this chart?
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01-21-2012 , 02:55 AM
They're from the SB, effective stacks in BBs.

This chart is applicable to any stack depth, although it isn't a secret bible to crushing HUSNG

what it means is this: if the effective stack is below the number shown for a given hand, it is profitable to openjam, even if you accidentally tell your opponent your holdings and he then calls perfectly. it down not say openjam is most profitable!

basically, you absolutely must not fold a profitable push from this chart, but needn't necessarily push either if you think another line may be more profitable. For example you should never openfold Q6o for 8bb effective.
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02-04-2012 , 07:01 PM
@Bunzablood
Looking at your chart, noted down all the <10bb ones, so I don't make those mistakes, thank you!
Just interested to know if I'm on the right track with my understanding:
All the red marked hands, or at least them closest to 10, will against pretty much all opponents also be a push when having 10bb's or below, because people will rarely have a perfect call range.
Also the blue marked hands, is that the hands that you will call an all-in 10bb or below with, facing the all-in from a regular-/well-balanced SB pusher? Or is there another explanation to the blue marked?
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04-09-2015 , 03:31 AM
Green: 0-8 BB
Red: 8-15BB
Blue: 15-20BB
At least that's what it looks like to me because if it is so then K3s has wrong color :P
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