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10-09-2016 , 01:25 PM
Villain: iso 27% (4/15)
Is this standard or would you flat on the flop?

PokerStars - $6.85+$0.15|10/20 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 22 BB
BB: 28 BB (VPIP: 62.12, PFR: 47.54, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 70)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J 9

Hero calls 0.5 BB, BB raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 9 4 6
BB bets 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, BB raises to 25 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 10 BB and is all-in
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10-10-2016 , 11:49 PM
standard should be a +EV all in
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10-11-2016 , 12:39 AM
I think if the 4d would be 2c, this is a standard call. Now I think this flop is wet enough to raise gii, but not sure.
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10-11-2016 , 03:11 AM
imo its other way around, I rather jam this on superdry board.
On dry boards they will cbet wider, and also gii wider, hands like AK prob will snap call, they prob still do on this board tho ;D
Anyway I dont think 4d or 2c changes that much, more important is that its 9 high board and we should worrie about overs so raising cant be bad here, and also flatting cant be bad, so Id say whatever, raise or call both are fine.
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10-11-2016 , 07:38 AM
We have 1.33 SPR on flop. What SPR are you shoving flop over the cbet instead of raising nai?

On the other words, what starting stacks are you shoving flop over the cbet instead of raising nai?

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10-11-2016 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by none888
imo its other way around, I rather jam this on superdry board.
On dry boards they will cbet wider, and also gii wider, hands like AK prob will snap call, they prob still do on this board tho ;D
Anyway I dont think 4d or 2c changes that much, more important is that its 9 high board and we should worrie about overs so raising cant be bad here, and also flatting cant be bad, so Id say whatever, raise or call both are fine.
If you raise this hand, you jam instead of 3x?
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10-11-2016 , 01:50 PM
Id raise nai, but Im not saying nai better than jam or other way around
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10-11-2016 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by none888
Id raise nai, but Im not saying nai better than jam or other way around
But you also say flatting is fine, so that would mean all three options are very close in EV (which kinda makes sense).

Are there any regs who somehow are sure what's the max EV play here?
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10-11-2016 , 05:25 PM
@Obbudsman: why are you so obsessed? Why you wanna know ultimate truth?

Why do not you concentrate on frequent spots?

I mean, people are helping you for free here and you always wanna go deeper. Without spending penny at least.

Do you even say thank you? That is the minimum you can do.

Peace.
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10-12-2016 , 03:19 AM
It goes like this, calling will always be good, your hand is not so strong to raise, pretty sure gto would never raise this hand, so by raising we are exploiting something, most likely fish continues way wider vs raise than they should, hands like AK, AQ, KQ, KJ mostly will call a small raise (idk for sure but from my experience fish have hard time folding good preflop hands even on bad flops and are calling at least once). And than if he calls enough **** hands we can jam, so if you want to be sure you are always right just flat, than you can raise to exploit fish calling too wide and than if you have reads they gii wide you can jam.

Last edited by none888; 10-12-2016 at 03:31 AM.
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10-12-2016 , 03:32 AM
Many many thanks. If you can give me your Skill ID, I'll transfer you some money for this answer.

But serious though, clarifies a lot, ty
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