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11-16-2011 , 12:45 PM

Antidi

stranger

Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 8

Ok, this is my first post to this forum,

How should I play this hand?

I think it was about 15th hand in the match. Villain seemed loose-passive

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saw flop

SB ($1300)
Hero (BB) ($1700)

Hero's M: 56.67

Preflop: Hero is BB with J

, K

SB bets $40, Hero calls $20

Flop: ($80) J

, 8

, 10

(2 players)
Hero bets $60, SB raises to $180, Hero folds

Total pot: $200

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11-16-2011 , 12:48 PM

bunzablood

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Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 3,010

1st. Popped your cherry!

I don't mind the flop lead here, esp. on this board, but you cannot fold to that re-raise (anything but folding is better). You have v. good eq. now but could be vulnerable. I would go for a big 3bet/gii right there on flop.

Last edited by bunzablood; 11-16-2011 at 12:54 PM.

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11-16-2011 , 01:14 PM

D78

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 34

He could be making a move. Call imo and evaluate on turn. If you raise big here and face an all in you can't really call.

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11-16-2011 , 01:17 PM

Hash1982

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 515

Yh i think call and re-evaluate is good, seeing as you said villan is loose passive.

How has he been playing pre and post flop the previous hands, has he shown this kind of flop aggression before?

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11-16-2011 , 01:23 PM

bunzablood

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^^ my bad, missed that villain is loose passive...def. call and reevaluate...

Last edited by bunzablood; 11-16-2011 at 01:24 PM. Reason: still popped your cherry tho!

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11-16-2011 , 02:31 PM

Antidi

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Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 8

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Originally Posted by Hash1982

Yh i think call and re-evaluate is good, seeing as you said villan is loose passive.

How has he been playing pre and post flop the previous hands, has he shown this kind of flop aggression before?

There was nothing special in the previous hands and nothing aggression like that. That is the reason I was not sure what to do.

But like you guys have said calling re-evaluating is best opinion and that fold was too passive.

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11-16-2011 , 05:12 PM

Hince

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Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3,873

I dislike the flop lead... the main reason is that you are betting for value and 'could' get raised by better hands bluffs, draws... on a board like this with few reads I do not want to bloat the pot oop, where a ton of turn cards could be ugly for us.

If you check, he is more likely cbet and you can manage the pot much easier.

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11-16-2011 , 05:16 PM

iL1keTurtles

adept

Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,080

If villain has been raising the button as std, 3bet pre.

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Originally Posted by Hince

The flop lead is great vs a LP who will check back a ton IMO.

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11-16-2011 , 10:21 PM

Hince

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Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3,873

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Originally Posted by iL1keTurtles

If villain has been raising the button as std, 3bet pre.

The flop lead is great vs a LP who will check back a ton IMO.

If he is truly loose passive, this preflop raise is an anomaly and should be treated as a stronger than average range. If he has been raising the button as std, he is should probably not be classified as loose passive in 15 hands without some specific hands.

This is a situation where your equity may be quite good, but your EV isn't as big as you might think. Thus, controlling the pot size is essential.

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11-16-2011 , 11:24 PM

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Hash1982

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 515

It's so -EV to control the size of this pot w/TPGK on a drawheavy board OOP, there is just no way you are c/c or cc here against this player type, you have to lead.

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11-17-2011 , 01:13 AM

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Hince

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Originally Posted by Hash1982

It's so -EV to control the size of this pot w/TPGK on a drawheavy board OOP, there is just no way you are c/c or cc here against this player type, you have to lead.

It is rare where you would be in a situation where pot controlling with TP would ever be -ev, whereas playing a bloated pot with TP could easily be -ev. That alone doesn't make pot controlling the best play, but the other reasons I mention above do.

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11-18-2011 , 01:28 PM

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imadonkey

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call and evaluate on turn

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11-18-2011 , 01:33 PM

#13

matvaju

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3bet ship that flop. wtf with calling and reevalueting on turn?

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11-18-2011 , 01:48 PM

#14

Fuzzel65

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Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 87

Not sure I'm shipping but why is everyone playing TP/GK so passively? It's 15 hands in, so unless there's some soulreading going on I don't see why we should assume that a massive part of his check/raising range is the nuts.

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