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04-12-2012 , 11:17 AM
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Villain seemed to be passive (limped all hands before, minbet river w 2pair, c/called flop w gutshot+fd). He limp/shoved the last hand. Thoughts about the turn barell? What about the river?





[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $6.85 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12545412

BB: 505 (25.3 bb)
Hero (SB): 495 (24.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 2
Hero raises to 40, BB calls 20

Flop: (80) 8 4 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 40, BB calls 40

Turn: (160) Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 80, BB calls 80

River: (320) 9 (2 players)
BB bets 120, Hero ?
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04-12-2012 , 11:33 AM
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Soo I made a mistake by starting 2 threads, and Punch Dancer asked some questions so I'm gonna answer here :

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I'm ok w/ barreling this guy if you're gonna fire a 3rd often.

calling river. good price, all draws missed, could be a 4X hand or spazz

relevant information that could impact how I play this hand:
-hand where he minbet the river w/ 2p?
-how did the hand where he c/c'd GS OTF go?
So these hands are :

Spoiler:
    Poker Stars, $6.85 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12545422

    SB: 500 (25 bb)
    Hero (BB): 500 (25 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 4 9
    SB completes, Hero checks

    Flop: (40) 5 J 4 (2 players)
    Hero checks, SB checks

    Turn: (40) 3 (2 players)
    Hero bets 20, SB calls 20

    River: (80) K (2 players)
    Hero checks, SB bets 20, Hero calls 20

    Results: 120 pot
    Final Board: 5 J 4 3 K
    SB showed 5 3 and won 120 (60 net)
    Hero mucked 4 9 and lost (-60 net)



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      Poker Stars, $6.85 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12545442

      BB: 560 (28 bb)
      Hero (SB): 440 (22 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 5 K
      Hero raises to 40, BB calls 20

      Flop: (80) 7 5 7 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets 40, BB calls 40

      Turn: (160) 3 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      River: (160) A (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      Results: 160 pot
      Final Board: 7 5 7 3 A
      BB showed 8 4 and lost (-80 net)
      Hero showed 5 K and won 160 (80 net)



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      04-12-2012 , 11:35 AM
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      given that he's loose passive, it seems like a perfect hand and spot to limp pre and stab any flop instead of min-raising.

      as played, flop cbet is std and turn barrel is also kinda mandatory. given that he's loose, he's gonna have a very wide range thats gonna float that flop, a lot of gutshots, Khighs, random overcards etc, add the fact that you have very good equity and no showdown value and it becomes a no-brainer barrel.

      river is meh, but u prob have to fold, especially vs a passive villain. there are some missed draws, but given that he's passive, he shouldnt have them in his range often enough when he bets otr imo.
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      04-12-2012 , 11:42 AM
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      Agree with zorzak, but hand 2 in spoiler you definitely have to bet turn and Id make small river value bet.
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      04-12-2012 , 11:51 AM
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      Given those 2 hands i'm OK w/ folding river as well, but it's close. I usually call here because we're getting good odds and it gives us REALLY good information.

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      Agree with zorzak, but hand 2 in spoiler you definitely have to bet turn and Id make small river value bet.
      ur right about turn in last hand, but disagree with river. We don't beat anything except for 22, 44, 3X, and K high that MAY call a vbet. Given he's passive he can be slow playing, and we can also induce his draws to raise, and win the hand(he's passive but it's a non-zero consideration).
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      04-12-2012 , 01:11 PM
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      yeah this sucks, i would hate myself and call because of the good price.
      i like flop+turn play, i would barrel alot of rivers if i miss, too. this river i would just checkback and be good almost always. (which i think makes a river bluff with out missed draw good if he checks)

      edit: i would also like a slightly smaller cbet
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      04-12-2012 , 04:22 PM
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      id call
      you are getting good price and he seems like the sort of player that does lots of random stupid stuff.
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      04-12-2012 , 10:56 PM
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      Quote:
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      edit: i would also like a slightly smaller cbet
      why would u do that against a passive villain?
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      04-13-2012 , 08:40 AM
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      because we have 9 high, and he calls the exact same range with a cbet of 30-35 as he does a cbet of 40.
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      04-13-2012 , 08:50 AM
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      Quote:
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      because we have 9 high, and he calls the exact same range with a cbet of 30-35 as he does a cbet of 40.
      strong assumption.
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      04-13-2012 , 09:57 AM
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      Quote:
      Originally Posted by zorzak
      given that he's loose passive, it seems like a perfect hand and spot to limp pre and stab any flop instead of min-raising.

      as played, flop cbet is std and turn barrel is also kinda mandatory. given that he's loose, he's gonna have a very wide range thats gonna float that flop, a lot of gutshots, Khighs, random overcards etc, add the fact that you have very good equity and no showdown value and it becomes a no-brainer barrel.

      river is meh, but u prob have to fold, especially vs a passive villain. there are some missed draws, but given that he's passive, he shouldnt have them in his range often enough when he bets otr imo.
      +1
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      04-13-2012 , 10:30 AM
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      I call river. He can have 4x trying to blockbet, or just som random float/ missed flushdraw, and we get pretty good odds.
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