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08-24-2011 , 05:32 PM
He is btn raise 72%, cbet 90% over 360 hands
I have seen him check back on good barrel cards after he cbet before so I assume he doesn't 2brl light a huge % of the time but I could be wrong (is turn cbet stat in HEM the same as 2barrel? I assumed it was delayed cbet)


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NL Holdem $30(BB) Replayer
Hero ($1,540)
Villain ($1,460)

Dealt to Hero 5 5

Villain raises to $75, Hero calls $45

FLOP ($150) 3 T 4

Hero checks, Villain bets $90, Hero ??

Thoughts on donking, c/c, or c/r?

please explain why you do what you do.
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08-24-2011 , 05:46 PM
i just c/c because i don't want make him fold his bluff. i don't see any point in c/ring... and i don't like donking because he cbet a lot so i think c/c>>>lead>>>>>>>>>>>c/ring
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08-24-2011 , 06:11 PM
i disagree with your reasoning cippo
villain isn't 2barreling a lot so there is no reason to expect that he will bluff on later streets. furthermore we don't have the hand to catch big bluffs because almost every turn and river card is insanely bad for us and we have to fold to turn and/or river bets so often! ...esp with given reads!

i think this is actually a good spot to donk. just because we have the best hand most of the time but it will play badly on later streets. maybe we even have a better chance to control the pot if we bet and choose the size ourselves.

tbh i c/c this a lot myself but with another reasoning than cippo and i even don't really know if this is the best line.

Last edited by kallesnow; 08-24-2011 at 06:30 PM.
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08-24-2011 , 06:26 PM
I think this is a suboptimal spot to donk because he's cbetting 90% and i doubt we get floats too often and we are fairly clueless on a majority of turn cards.

easy check call eval
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08-24-2011 , 06:28 PM
cr flop
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08-24-2011 , 06:28 PM
donking for value vs someone who cbets 90% is potentially ******ed
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08-24-2011 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by De_Evolution
cr flop
Why if he's not barreling? We can vbet a ton of rivers
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08-24-2011 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by chadders0
donking for value vs someone who cbets 90% is potentially ******ed
well ok, i missed the cbet frequecny
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08-24-2011 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by IcarusJam
Why if he's not barreling? We can vbet a ton of rivers
I generally like to put pressure on my villain in these situations, Hes opening wide and cbetting ALOT, just check/calling is also allowing him to see alot of streets vs us and 55 is not great alot of the time we make it to the river. If villain was likely to barrel then I think c/c is better.
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08-24-2011 , 09:49 PM
personally, i think donking here makes our hand pretty face up. how do you ever wanna balance this properly? i cant really see a hand we would wanna donkbet here, that can take a lot of action. if i were villain, i would start putting me to the test on this one with probably raise flop, bet almost any turn when checked to. unless hero is a fish of course :P

and just on a side note: 360 hands in you should absolutely know which line to choose here.
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08-24-2011 , 10:09 PM
Check raise considering his cbet frequency (the other 10 percent of the time he does not is likely because he hit the flop...) and the fact that any card you let him see for free on the turn will likely give you a scare.
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08-24-2011 , 11:04 PM
It's an interesting spot. I think it's a given that we should check and let him put in his c-bet.

Raising at first looks gutsy and a bit like turning a made hand into a bluff, but it also protects a vulnerable hand and gets value from draws and overcard peels. If we think he plays straightforward on the turn, it's not as tough when he calls as it might be otherwise since he should only bet (if/when we check to him) when he's improved to something that beats us (or he had the T all along). This is probably better than letting him buy a free card too cheaply, so I guess I'm all for it.
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08-25-2011 , 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by De_Evolution
I generally like to put pressure on my villain in these situations, Hes opening wide and cbetting ALOT, just check/calling is also allowing him to see alot of streets vs us and 55 is not great alot of the time we make it to the river. If villain was likely to barrel then I think c/c is better.
well ur right but imo c/r w/ overcards/gutshots would be a lot better than c/r with 55 here other hands play way easier then 55 in a cr spot we are turning a hand w/ sd value into a bluff here imo... atleast in tough spots oop
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08-25-2011 , 04:06 AM
I'd simply ch-ca ch-fo vs a villain that doesn't barrel as a bluff. Check-raising seems bad. If villain's competent he'll float overs to the T and some straightdraws and then you're in a though spot on almost all the turns and rivers and are likely to make mistakes.
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08-25-2011 , 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by De_Evolution
I generally like to put pressure on my villain in these situations, Hes opening wide and cbetting ALOT, just check/calling is also allowing him to see alot of streets vs us and 55 is not great alot of the time we make it to the river. If villain was likely to barrel then I think c/c is better.
what would in your opinion be the difference between c/r 78o in this spot and 55? (not criticizing your play, i think every option sucks tbh)
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08-25-2011 , 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ohly
what would in your opinion be the difference between c/r 78o in this spot and 55? (not criticizing your play, i think every option sucks tbh)
There isnt much, I guess given texture there is value to be had. But 78o in this spot sucks if villain likes to float so I dont mind c/f and occasionally c/r if we have looked like a nit and if the pot size is worth it.

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08-25-2011 , 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by nanana
and just on a side note: 360 hands in you should absolutely know which line to choose here.
just on a side note: this is probably the dumbest thing that's been written here.
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