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10-09-2013 , 01:20 PM

kokett

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 133

8 hands in unknown vilain.
He opened the first hand from the button, i 3b and he shoved over it. nothing interisting happened after that.

1. should I have betted the river for value? I think he would have c/r a flushdraw on the flop. also i think he would have raised 910, 9J+ hands.
2 question. would you c/r if you have a straigt draw here if you were vilain?

PokerStars - $58.74+$1.26|10/20 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 31 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 85.71, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 8)
Hero (SB): 19 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6

Hero raises to 2 BB, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (4 BB, 2 players) 5

BB checks, Hero bets 1.5 BB, BB calls 1.5 BB

Turn: (7 BB, 2 players) 6

BB checks, Hero bets 3 BB, BB calls 3 BB

River: (13 BB, 2 players) 9

BB checks, Hero checks

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10-10-2013 , 03:49 AM

xJayh

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 365

yeah bit under half pot

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10-10-2013 , 10:40 PM

Potent_Potables

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 144

i wouldn't against an unknown. any decent villain knows your range for barreling this turn is pretty strong so I really don't think you're getting called by much worse otr

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10-11-2013 , 06:34 AM

none888

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Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,665

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Originally Posted by Potent_Potables

i wouldn't against an unknown. any decent villain knows your range for barreling this turn is pretty strong so I really don't think you're getting called by much worse otr

lol what? villain is unknown = fish, fish dont care what you have, they just see oh I have bottom pair and bet is not so big, lets call

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10-11-2013 , 07:58 AM

yay

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there are no decent unknowns at 60s

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10-11-2013 , 07:34 PM

JSpazz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 6,694

turn sizing is way too low, you can get more value out of draws if you bet bigger and pairs aren't folding more to a bigger bet (say 4.5bbish)

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10-12-2013 , 10:24 AM

xkcd

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 448

Anyone checking flop?

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10-12-2013 , 11:10 AM

watergun7

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I think checking flop is fine vs reg, but for 19bb it's prob worse than betting vs random.

The main point is I'm not sure if they will be bluffing turns and rivers often enough, or hero calling delayed cbets wide enough.

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10-12-2013 , 12:26 PM

kobmish

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,752

Yep, vs unknown cbetting the flop, betting turn at least 4-4.5bb, less than half pot is missing value with two pair on that wet board and riv is a vbet too maybe something along 1/3 or a little more of the pot. That line of course targets unknowns that tend to be on the passive side.

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10-12-2013 , 12:34 PM

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yay

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checking flop is fine, not a big deal either way. i think cbetting is better readless.

turnsizing is too small for sure though, and i think river betting like 5bb will be marginally better than checking

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