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05-27-2013 , 05:02 AM
[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $58.74 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #17647741

Hero (SB): 510 (25.5 bb)
BB: 490 (24.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T A
Hero raises to 40, BB calls 20

Flop: (80) 9 T Q (2 players)
BB bets 120

We are readless here. Any suggestions how to play this?

Last edited by KnutXX; 05-27-2013 at 05:14 AM.
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05-27-2013 , 07:10 AM
pretty tough readless
i'd say this flop hits his range harder than it hits ours, so leading actually does make sense for him because he doesnt necessarily have to expect a cbet from us in this spot
also it will be extremely tough for us to continue on the hand correctly, while he can play pretty perfectly on later streets
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05-27-2013 , 07:32 AM
jam, you have a straight draw and an overcard. Flatting is no option because of the bet size imo.
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05-27-2013 , 07:39 AM
^ we dont have straight draw, but Im jamming, we have good 2nd pair, there are straight draws, worse Tx, mby even 9x and I have seen plenty of times such overbets/folds so we also have fold equity
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05-27-2013 , 07:48 AM
I see people often play his tp like villain here.
It isnt easy prefer jam without reads or a fold.
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05-27-2013 , 07:54 AM
yeah I prefer jamming too. the guy was fishy but i feel like this is a great move in a reg vs reg battle.
but rly tough spot readless
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05-27-2013 , 08:06 AM
obv villain fish
it prob doenst even matter fold/jam, this happens soooo rarely and should be very close
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05-27-2013 , 08:53 AM
jam
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05-27-2013 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by zZzTILT
jam
+1
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05-27-2013 , 10:51 AM
Fold unless I'm missing something
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05-28-2013 , 02:19 PM
Looks like a tank fold to me
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05-28-2013 , 03:24 PM
im jamming
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05-28-2013 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by KnutXX
i feel like this is a great move in a reg vs reg battle.
lol no

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im jamming too
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05-29-2013 , 02:07 AM
Don't understand why you guys don't consider flatting? Sure the bet size is big but vs his donk/call range you're getting absolutely crushed for the most part as this is going to be Qx big big majority of the time. Feels to me like you want to avoid a tough decision on turn. Agree with Mela for fold here, though I think flatting and shoving are both close.
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05-29-2013 , 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Torg0th
Don't understand why you guys don't consider flatting? Sure the bet size is big but vs his donk/call range you're getting absolutely crushed for the most part as this is going to be Qx big big majority of the time. Feels to me like you want to avoid a tough decision on turn. Agree with Mela for fold here, though I think flatting and shoving are both close.
I think I would F.

If opponent wants to barrel 3 streets to get AI; he has to bet each street 2/3 pot.
If opponent wants to barrel 2 streets to get AI; he has to bet twice 1.25 pot.
Don't think alot of opp suddenly will fire underbet at turn and would S river after 1.5x bet @ f.
So imo, we are extremely likely to see a turn S.

Don't see the point why we should prefer a significant harder choice of calling a turn S @ after calling f. The cases where this becomes easier are already cases where opponent has significant wide air component which also increase the value of a flop S (avoiding such the correctness of assumption that our opp will not barrel air enough to loose more by flatting; which is read dependent).

vs 1.5 pot we require 38%.
Cannot imagine an opponent creating a range of Qx+ vs air of 3 to 2.
At least, I don't have seen tons at this kind of board.
If it would be so; reads will pile up soon enough.

Last edited by Emus; 05-29-2013 at 05:57 AM.
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