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.25: ATdd on K27dd flop against LAG. Line check. .25: ATdd on K27dd flop against LAG. Line check.

10-12-2010 , 06:36 PM
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BTN/SB: t1700 42.50 BBs
Hero (BB): t1300 32.50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is BB with T A
BTN/SB raises to t80, Hero raises to t260, BTN/SB calls t180

Flop: (t520) K 2 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB checks

Turn: (t520) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB checks

River: (t520) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB checks

It's still early, but the villain was loose and fairly aggressive so far. He was raising something like 75% of BTNs but this was my first 3-bet. In the only hand shown down, he called my C-bet on JJ5hh board with Q4dd and checked through on the turn and river.

On the flop I'm obviously going for a CRAI as I think he will stab a decent bit here. On the turn I don't think I'm folding better and the worse hands that call seem to represent a fairly small range. There's obviously no point in doing anything but checking the river.

The whole line seems absurdly passive for my hand though. Maybe I should bet the turn? Or just bet the flop?
.25: ATdd on K27dd flop against LAG. Line check. Quote
10-12-2010 , 06:43 PM
not sure why you 3bet unless he was the type that either:

A: called 3bet wide
B: 4bet shoves light

please don't tell me you were going to fold to a shove, that's terrible with ATs.

I would also 3bet smaller (~220). Bet flop unless you had a read that he will bet if you check to him.
.25: ATdd on K27dd flop against LAG. Line check. Quote
10-12-2010 , 06:45 PM
don't 3bet pre if villain's opening this wide. you're losing value of villain's folding dominated hands.

bet flop shove turn.
.25: ATdd on K27dd flop against LAG. Line check. Quote
10-12-2010 , 06:48 PM
flat pre, it' sooooooted
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10-12-2010 , 07:03 PM
As played, I'd bet this flop most of the time. Just because he's a LAG doesn't mean he will take a stab in a 3-bet pot, so your plan of c/r'ing might just not work. The pot is already huge so taking it down wouldn't be bad, and we're happy to call a shove from him. If not, at least bet the turn, that 3 of club shouldn't really help your opponent.
.25: ATdd on K27dd flop against LAG. Line check. Quote
10-12-2010 , 07:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by manefon
bet flop shove turn.
What does this line accomplish? I guess it can make him fold a 7 or a 2, but it seems unlikely either are in his range. Shoving the turn seems like we fold out worse hands mostly.

Quote:
Originally Posted by borderline
not sure why you 3bet unless he was the type that either:

A: called 3bet wide
B: 4bet shoves light

please don't tell me you were going to fold to a shove, that's terrible with ATs.

I would also 3bet smaller (~220). Bet flop unless you had a read that he will bet if you check to him.
This is very helpful, thanks.
.25: ATdd on K27dd flop against LAG. Line check. Quote
10-12-2010 , 07:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kvaughan
What does this line accomplish? I guess it can make him fold a 7 or a 2, but it seems unlikely either are in his range. Shoving the turn seems like we fold out worse hands mostly.
After cbeting flop you'll have ~PSB or even less in your stack, and need very little FE to make it a +EV play.. I don't know if it's the best line in your case, but I'm pretty sure that we're at least printing money making this shove.
.25: ATdd on K27dd flop against LAG. Line check. Quote
10-12-2010 , 08:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by manefon
After cbeting flop you'll have ~PSB or even less in your stack, and need very little FE to make it a +EV play.. I don't know if it's the best line in your case, but I'm pretty sure that we're at least printing money making this shove.
But the hands we fold or the vast majority of them) we're already beating, right?
.25: ATdd on K27dd flop against LAG. Line check. Quote
10-12-2010 , 08:32 PM
You flopped nuts. You 2-barrel allin.
.25: ATdd on K27dd flop against LAG. Line check. Quote
10-13-2010 , 02:57 AM
Cbet flop small,you have reads that he floats pretty wide.
.25: ATdd on K27dd flop against LAG. Line check. Quote
10-13-2010 , 04:42 AM
i wonder why 3betting this hand isn't good, as an infinite number of opponents seems to flat a ridiculously wide range. as we are far ahead of such a range, why not 3bet for value?
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10-13-2010 , 02:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by spamz
flat pre, it' sooooooted
Why no 3bet? is it so important to keep dominated hands in? What about all the times you miss the flop and you would have won the pot with a 3bet?
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10-13-2010 , 05:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by borderline
not sure why you 3bet unless he was the type that either:

A: called 3bet wide
B: 4bet shoves light

please don't tell me you were going to fold to a shove, that's terrible with ATs.

I would also 3bet smaller (~220). Bet flop unless you had a read that he will bet if you check to him.
3-betting here is standard imo, and no, he doesn't need to call 3-bets too wide either to make 3-betting profitable.

As for the hand, if you check the flop, I like your line. I would prolly bet the flop vs most tho, altho, your line seems fine if he is really aggro.
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10-13-2010 , 05:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jensern224
Why no 3bet? is it so important to keep dominated hands in? What about all the times you miss the flop and you would have won the pot with a 3bet?
You are thinking about this wrong imo.
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