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04-22-2012 , 03:51 PM

tigerjack89

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 460

This villain limps all his button. He bets close to always vs our missed bet and makes always potsize bets.
This hand was a little time before

On Game, $50 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12708802

SB: 1,550 (77.5 bb)
Hero (BB): 1,450 (72.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J

SB completes, Hero checks

Flop: (40) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB checks

Turn: (40) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets 30, SB calls 30

River: (100) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets 100, Hero calls 100

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Then this.
What do you think about this line?? Is this a clear fold???
I'm checking on ther river cause I see a lot of missed draws and he can spazz all his airs.

On Game, $50 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12708812

SB: 1,365 (45.5 bb)
Hero (BB): 1,635 (54.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3

SB completes, Hero checks

Flop: (60) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB checks

Turn: (60) 9

(2 players)
Hero bets 45, SB calls 45

River: (150) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets 150, Hero raises to 300, SB raises to 1,290 and is all-in, Hero folds

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04-23-2012 , 04:38 PM

cippo93

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Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 493

Wp im raise folding 400

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04-23-2012 , 05:38 PM

Krumb Snatcha

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I don't understand your line, most likely betting or c/c is best. What worse hands call your raise?

First start w/ what you think his range on the river is

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04-24-2012 , 04:53 AM

Orsulab3rt

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Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,306

hand 1. i woluld chk down the hand no need to bet,if u bet better min bet on river.

hand 2. the only hand can call c\r is 8x but he prob bet it on flop,given reads and miss draws ih c\c river.

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04-24-2012 , 01:56 PM

tigerjack89

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 460

When i check this turn and he bets I think he can have a lot of air, some pair that don't want to stab flop (he delays often the bets to the river), 9x and straights.
My x/r is a sort of thin value bet vs his middle value, that don't fold very often to minraise; he doesn't seems so brilliant.

@Orsulab3rt: why do you check turn in hand 1 and why do you prefer bet river?

gl

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04-24-2012 , 06:40 PM

Krumb Snatcha

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Originally Posted by tigerjack89

Ok, so you are trying to get value from 6x/air? This could be true given hand 1, but if you are right you should not be folding to his jam, snap call!!

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04-25-2012 , 03:17 AM

mela

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I'm c/c'ing on the river. River c/r looks very strongish in most cases and I doubt he's bet/calling with 6x all that often. As Krumb Snatcha said, I'd either bet and get called by worse or c/c, c/r here "for value" looks way too thin.

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04-25-2012 , 04:10 AM

tigerjack89

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 460

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Originally Posted by Krumb Snatcha

Ok, so you are trying to get value from 6x/air? This could be true given hand 1, but if you are right you should not be folding to his jam, snap call!!

Yes, I was sure that he was capable of make a bad calling with his trash some % of the time, but at the same time I don't think he can ever make an overbet jam with his showdown value or air. Also his timing convinced me that we are beat, he istajam over my minr.

Regarding bet or check, I choce the latter cause his aggro tendencies; I was unsure if this was a x/c or x/r, but almost all here vote for the first one.

gl

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04-25-2012 , 07:30 AM

Orsulab3rt

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Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,306

About the first hand,I don't like betting on any street,if you had j5 on this flop I like turn lead bcz his range include a lot 4x worse 5 A high when he bet turn you call so why not take value from this range and make the price for yourself.

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04-25-2012 , 03:10 PM

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Clever_Efreet

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Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 505

betting on hand 1 OTT is def fine imo.. And yes ppl really do snap call 6x here (hand 2) just because they like to see what you have and it's only 150 chips more.

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04-25-2012 , 04:15 PM

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JSpazz

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Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 6,694

you played it well both hands

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