Oppo seems thinking, but I don't think he is a reg (or at least I never saw him).
My TP.
This seems a good flop to x/r as (semi)bluff vs my opening range; also, I'm sure he 3bets preflop QK+ and all big pairs and doesn't x/r with a naked TP.
When he x OTT, in my eyes his range is very weak and contains a lot of pure bluffs, draws or weak Qx (a small percentage of the time, but still possible) and I don't think I have to make a big size to fold his air.
OTR he lead out and I think a 4 is close to never in his range and there are no reasons to make this bet with other than a bluff. So i clock and minraise... fancy play?



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How many thinking players raise to 90 like that on the flop?

Doesn't that seem fishy to you?

I said thinking, not capable
And vs my wide opening frequencies, is very unlikely I have a piece on that board, so a small raise in his eyes can definetely work.

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Im folding OTF, if you think that his range is very weak i prefere 3bet the flop. As played im folding on his lead i dont see him leading as a bluff and he is not folding anything that lead for value

Fold flop, Villian is never going to fold river.

Yes, i think is weak, but he could also have some Qx or strong draw. So it's a "call to reevaluate".

For the second sentence, what is he leading river for value that only x/c the turn?

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well you rep a float so I wouldn't expect much of this play. most people you can't get off Qx there and those that you can rarely play Qx like this. ime you're gonna be valuetowning yourself pretty often vs 4x good kicker or better

I would bet really big on the flop to put alot of pressure on him or just fold because we have jack high with some backdoor draws that are not that strong, by making it 400 you put him into a difficult decision with something like Q9 that he might have or a weak flushdraw. If we put him on a draw we could do as you did and call and try to steal the pot on future streets with big bets.

Yes but in his eyes i can float also with a 4. And I don't know how many Qx he can have OTR. I mean, if he has Qx, why don't bet turn and then bet that river?

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Flop is w/e,would just fold or 3 bet small readless.
I'd def wouldn't miniraise river,he'll call a 9 just about always or some small pp.I'd just give up readless,even tho his line doesnt make much sense.

people who c/r to 90 here dont fold to a minraise on the river 40%(to lazy to do the actual math but you need more than 33 and less than 50% :P) of the time. So i recommed a fold on river as played.
Not as played: fold the flop and make a note.
If he keeps doing that on high low low flops you can adjust and tighten your c-bet range.

lol ur justifying ur spewness as fancy???
we're hear to criticize ur play, while ur trying to re-justify for ur actions...

1) If u think villain is bluffing u on flop with the CR(villain has polarized CR range), then
the most optimal line is Bet/3-bet to something like 210 to capitalize on the dead money in the pot, and give up when faced with further action..

2) Turn play: OK when, u actually do pick up something equity with 9X on turn, since now u have gutshot equity+JX maybe as over equity, u shouldve checked turn to evaluate another street...
ur 125, which is even under 1/2 pot accomplishes nothing... ur giving villain odds to call with flushdraw, and QX is certainly not folding turn......

3) river play is not fancy, but straight up spewy, as JSpazz comment earlier, ur repping a float, if i had 9X, i would probably bet/call here on river vs ur line, since ur not betting 4X turn, and u wouldnt turn QX into a bluff river...

Who are you to come here and lol?
I'm here to criticize my play, not to get ridicolous comments from you.
Thank you all for the comments guys.

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you don't bet turn with 4x.

edit: also he can easily have Qx no kicker on turn and pot control, or just pot control with Qx good kicker or a monster like fish usually do

Yes I see your reason. In game I have the feeling that with his line he has only pure bluffs; he seems very thinking and I was pretty confident that he didn't make strange move with weak Q. I thought a lot before minraise and he actually folds, but maybe it's only a case and I overthink.

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for a person who cant even admit that his play is wrong... thts why i think its funny...
This is 2+2, we're here to learn, if u cant take criticism... dont post on 2+2...

ok man, you're right and I'm here to learn from thinking people, so thank you for making me realize that you're not part of these.
Closed argument for me, gl to the tables.

How stupid are you? The mere fact that he has come here to post this hand shows that he at least isn't sure his play is good and has come to seek criticism to help him improve, rather than just think every play is golden like I'm sure a lot of people do.

Where do you get the feeling he cannot take criticism? At the time when he made this play, he must've thought it was the right thing to do, therefore he had some thought processes which lead to him making this play "In his eyes I can easily have a 4". This is highlighting his thought process so people can comment on why it may be faulty, not defending his play to the point where he's sensitive about people saying he is wrong.

Honestly, I don't see you contributing much here, how about talk strategy rather than talking trash.