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02-04-2011 , 01:35 PM
Hi guys !

Villain is a losing player (fish). This the 6th hand of the tourney.


There was a big hand (3rd hand of the tourney):

BB: t2000.00 100 BBs
Hero (BTN/SB): t2000.00 100 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with 7 5
Hero raises to t60, BB calls t40

Flop: (t120) 7 3 5 (2 players)
BB bets t20.00, Hero raises to t90, BB calls t70

Turn: (t300) J (2 players)
BB bets t20.00, Hero raises to t250, BB calls t230

River: (t800) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Final Pot: t800
BB shows 8 4
Hero shows 7 5



The hand:

BTN/SB: t1590.00 79.50 BBs
Hero (BB): t2410.00 120.50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with 7 8
BTN/SB raises to t40, Hero calls t20

Flop: (t80) T 6 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t80.00, Hero calls t80
Turn: (t240) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t60.00, Hero ???

Questions:

a) Do you prefer donk to c/c on the flop?
b) Do you prefer c/c, c/f or c/r on the turn?
c) If you c/c turn, are you c/f river to any bet?
d) If you c/r turn, what kind of a rivers will you NOT bet?

Last edited by jayn; 02-04-2011 at 01:48 PM.
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02-04-2011 , 01:57 PM
a) Do you prefer donk to c/c on the flop?
c/c works for me

b) Do you prefer c/c, c/f or c/r on the turn?
c/c

c) If you c/c turn, are you c/f river to any bet?
re-evaluate on rivercard and betsizing

d) If you c/r turn, what kind of a rivers will you NOT bet?
N/A

Note that he bets the pot here on the flop, in that previous hand he mini-blockbetted to draw cheaply. Here his bet might be for value but he lets you see the river cheaply, and he's probably too loose to get him of his hand if you turn your hand into a bluff on the river.
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02-04-2011 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Polycarpus
Note that he bets the pot here on the flop, in that previous hand he mini-blockbetted to draw cheaply. Here his bet might be for value but he lets you see the river cheaply, and he's probably too loose to get him of his hand if you turn your hand into a bluff on the river.
Pretty much exactly my toughts, but the thing is that if we c/c turn, I don't think that we can c/c many rivers no matter how small he bets, since I feel like this is Tx like 80% of time...
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02-04-2011 , 02:15 PM
T seems to make sense indeed. But you can't fold the turn for this smal n amount. And now you can bet for value if a 7, 8 or 9 hits, and you might be able to bluff him of his hand if a diamond hits.
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02-04-2011 , 02:20 PM
your line is pretty fine, unimproved i'd c/f alot, if i hit on the river i'd consider donking.
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02-04-2011 , 02:56 PM
Poly nailed it imo
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02-04-2011 , 02:58 PM
c/c flop readless, i donk sometimes when villain has shown tendancy to not cbet much

c/c turn, raising doesn't achieve much except sometimes folding out a ten and im not interesting in turning this hand into a bluff

definately donkin river if i hit that straight, otherwise c/c dependant on river card and sizing, taking note re: the turn underbet and his hand.
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02-04-2011 , 04:13 PM
a) c/c flop
b) c/f turn

Many people might disagree with me here, but obviously you are playing against a very weak, very loose player. The best way to beat these guys consistently is to keep the pot small until you have a hand, and then bet it. It sounds over-simplified, like any intelligent, thinking player would figure out what you are going, but you not playing an intelligent, thinking player.

With 78o, I am limping. Like I said, I know a lot of guys disagree with me, but there aren't many flops that you can confidently continue with, and then get more value on the turn. I would wait until you get a better hand before you start building a pot, imo.
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02-05-2011 , 04:59 AM
This line will be Tx a very high percentage of the time because he bet full pot on the flop when he had top pair to protect against draws and bet 1/4th pot when a scarecard came (the jack) for potcontrol. If we are indeed up against hands like AT, KT, and QT then we have 9 outs to improve our hand to 2 pair trips and a straight with about 20% equity and were getting 5-1 odds to call which makes calling the correct play, and the fact that we will get paid off some of the time when we hit makes this an ez call.
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02-05-2011 , 04:59 AM
in the 1st hand shouldn't you bet the river?
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