Villain mindonked the flop, mindonk-called the turn and check-called a near Ps riverbet on a 234 5 8 flop where the river completed a flopped flushdraw on the first hand. I showed down 68 and villain howed 53.

He limped all his buttons and called all my opens (minraises) so far. We're about 15 hands in and he got some of his chips back in a hand where he ch-called 2 streets and Psdonked the river when a fourth club hit.

Eff stacksizes 1200. I raise his limp 3x to 120 with A9o and he minreraises to 200. My play?


I flatted because I'm clueless about his range. His move looks hyperstrong and I hadn't been pummeling him, but he played like a huge fish so what do I know what his range is.


Flop: 778, he pots. Now what? Is he trying to lure me in with QQ+ pf to bet huge on a pretty dry flop?



I really suck in these weird spots, so all help is greatly appreciated.

I wouldn't raise A9o pf oop, it doesn't play too well after. For the same reason I would shove after his raise. Weak players do this kind of minraises all the time, also passive players.

Fold flop

Disagree with not raising preflop tbh. Depends a bit on postflop tendencies whether he can float without real piece of the board, but still, if he's not super tricky just 3x like OP did.

The small reraise is weird though, and playing A9o without initiative oop is something entirely different. On paper I think fold pre is best, even when getting 4-1. In practics I shrug and call because I flop trip nines a lot. C/f this flop however since you failed at the 99x board.

Not really...

Despite the fact you're getting 4-1 A9o is crushed by a loose-passive's (or any rando for that matter), limp/mr range... (yes he could be doing something weird pre and this could be like ATC but thats a really, really small % of the time imo)

Im folding pre

I call pre,his range is strong but he'll make mistakes/check back stuff,plus a pair of As will be good when he has lower PPs. Flop i'm turbo mucking.

Very interesting spot.
I agree with the call preflop, his line seems very strong and bluffs are a small part of his range.
Easy x>f on the flop.

gl

Limp attack seems fine, A9o is much ahead of his range and while it isn't the hand that flops very well, flopping a pair of A or 9 will often do it.

After getting min 3bet though it's no fun, first of all we're all of a sudden (much) behind of his range and we wouldn't have the initiative. Tbh I wouldn't mind folding but calling can be okay.. although I can't picture us raking a huge pot very often with this hand postflop. Raising here is pure spew imo, and chance of getting him fold is practically zero.

Flop we have no draw no pair and this is snap fold after checking to him.

A few notes on pot odds:

We're getting 4-1 odds, which is equivalent to 20% equity. Even against very tight range A9o often has 23-25% equity, so technically speaking we are getting the odds.


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 23.546% 22.06% 01.49% 95179356 6422904.00 { A9o }
Hand 1: 76.454% 74.97% 01.49% 323475444 6422904.00 { KK+, AKs, AKo }


However, we're OOP and this has to be taken account for.

Also, the 23-25% equity we have vs. that range assumes that we get to the river freely. In reality this is almost never possible, since there will be additional betting on the future streets that will put us in tough situations. Which means, we actually have to flop something in order to continue with the hand, else we would simply have to c/f on flop way too often.

As spamz said, trip nines would be the best way to go (obv hard to flop though), or boards like 876ccc and we have Ac (dream on). Thing is, even if the flop comes A high or 9 high, if the stacks are going in we will often be behind and drawing to 3-5 outs maximum.

I am a bit too lazy to run the math involved here, but I am pretty sure the odds of us flopping trip 9's + 876ccc kinda board is much, much less than 20%. Imho this is what they truly mean by "A9o doesn't flop very well."

But still, not attacking limp just because A9o doesn't flop very well is a bit weak imo. In case he limp/calls, we could still keep his dominated Ax/9x and gain initiative postflop.

In my opinion I see I lot more players doing that 3bet IP with garbage than with good premium holdings, they just got frustrated because we attack a lot of theyr limps. Im assuming if u raise A9o you raise T9s+,JT+,QT+, K9+ too.
I prolly just call because we re deep and theres no reason to shove A9 in this spot, we re not getting called by worst, and we cant fold better. But after calling pre, Im not sure if fold flop its good. what this flop change after we call pre? and the cbet size pretty strange for a 3betpot, donks usually bet smaller for value in early streets. And another question, We re just calling pre because we re getting odds to hit or fold??