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12-03-2014 , 07:56 PM
47 percent fold to cbet. 2/15 raise cbet. Fine turn bet for value vs 6x and protection? What r u betting the turn with after calling the raise?
He timed down on river for like 10 secs before shoving, tells you anything?

PokerStars - $28.78+$1.22|20/40 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 1,752 (VPIP: 81.19, PFR: 41.24, 3Bet Preflop: 10.26, Hands: 108)
Hero (SB): 1,248

Hero posts SB 20, BB posts BB 40

Pre Flop: (pot: 60) Hero has 8 9

Hero raises to 80, BB calls 40

Flop: (160, 2 players) 9 3 6
BB checks, Hero bets 80, BB raises to 200, Hero calls 120

Turn: (560, 2 players) 3
BB checks, Hero bets 180, BB raises to 360, Hero calls 180

River: (1,280, 2 players) 5
BB bets 1,112 and is all-in
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12-04-2014 , 12:25 AM
i don't think leading ott is the best line after we called otf, if are you protecting vs 6x so that turn card is the best one for you since he is drawing to just 2 outs if you put him in that range.
But he can have a lot of hands and bluffs that you are gonna profit more x/c than leading ott. Also call otr.
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12-04-2014 , 01:18 AM
I think a check back on the turn is much better. Most players are not check/raising middle pair so IMO it's pretty safe to discount 6x from his range. Don't think protection is enough to justify a bet here. A good betting turn range would be something like all your 3x and some straight draws.

As played, I think its pretty rare that you'll find someone who takes this line as a bluff on this runout, and you don't beat any value. The 5 river is significant since that turns most of his draws into either a straight or showdown value. It's one of those spots where your opponent doesn't have too many value combos, but also hardly any bluff combos in his range. I would expect to see strong 9x and nutted hands too often. Wouldn't read into the time down on the river too much, but if anything I'd say that's more likely to indicate strength. Fold seems best.
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12-04-2014 , 03:18 AM
Dont we get value on the turn and river with a hand like K 9 plus? Or you expect 9x that raises flop to continue on turn almost always?
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12-04-2014 , 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by jaysfan55
I think a check back on the turn is much better. Most players are not check/raising middle pair so IMO it's pretty safe to discount 6x from his range. Don't think protection is enough to justify a bet here. A good betting turn range would be something like all your 3x and some straight draws.

As played, I think its pretty rare that you'll find someone who takes this line as a bluff on this runout, and you don't beat any value. The 5 river is significant since that turns most of his draws into either a straight or showdown value. It's one of those spots where your opponent doesn't have too many value combos, but also hardly any bluff combos in his range. I would expect to see strong 9x and nutted hands too often. Wouldn't read into the time down on the river too much, but if anything I'd say that's more likely to indicate strength. Fold seems best.
good post
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12-04-2014 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Pyha Karu
Dont we get value on the turn and river with a hand like K 9 plus? Or you expect 9x that raises flop to continue on turn almost always?
I'd expect 9x to continue on turn a decent amount of the time, but not almost always. Some players may x/r a weak 9x and then check turn, so yeah I do think you can bet turn for value with K9+ and big pairs as well.
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12-05-2014 , 02:52 AM
9T+ is a slam dunk bet
89 is on the fringe
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12-05-2014 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MR. Muscle
9T+ is a slam dunk bet
89 is on the fringe
this doesnt make any sense.
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12-05-2014 , 02:30 PM
8x blocks draws^
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12-05-2014 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by daviid
this doesnt make any sense.
This range is the range i assigned villain

30 % of: AA-KK, 58o,58s

70 % of: A9o,K9o,Q9o,J9o,T9o,A9s,K9s,Q9s,J9s,T9s

50 % of: 66,33,T8o-T7o,95o,87o,T8s-T7s,98s
97s,95s,94s,92s,87s,43s,43o,K3s,57o,57s

100% of: 98o-96o,96s,93s

with this range 89 has 48% equity and T9 has 52.5%

also 3 betting the flop hasn't been mentioned yet
edit: my range has no 6x which is prob a bit redic considering the random spazz of the population
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