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01-24-2012 , 06:01 AM

I_Fish

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Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 58

Against a station. Is the turn and river to thin? Different BZ on R?

Poker Stars, $29.37 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
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BB: 390 (19.5 bb)
Hero (SB): 610 (30.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J

Hero raises to 40, BB calls 20

Flop: (80) 5

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 50, BB calls 50

Turn: (180) 4

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 90, BB calls 90

River: (360) 5

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 50

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Poker Stars, $29.37 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
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Hero (BB): 490 (24.5 bb)
SB: 510 (25.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5

SB raises to 40, Hero calls 20

Flop: (80) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets 20, Hero raises to 50, SB calls 30

Turn: (180) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets 80, Hero raises to 400 and is all-in, SB folds

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01-24-2012 , 09:22 AM

NoMeansYes_

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Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,509

I'd probably bet a bit more on hand 1, 80 - 100

On hand two I definitely think a jam is too strong here. If we flat we're getting it in vs pretty much any hand that is betting for value anyway and he still can have air/draws that will bluff another street. I'd probably donk bet river on a 2 3 or spade and chk/jam everything else.

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01-24-2012 , 01:06 PM

Burulbash

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Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 114

1st - chek river, bet looks really crazy for me on that board
2nd - call turn, let river bring him at least some hand (str8, flush, FH or someting he can pay with), minimal risk for your hand.

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01-24-2012 , 02:08 PM

ValuetownJL

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Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,436

1st hand- bet a little bigger but i see why you have bet small as you're scared he has called you down with 5x, i think 90/100 is better, he will call you with worse queens

2nd hand- you have such a strong hand in position i would just call here, most fish will bet again on the river and you can get more value for your monster

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01-24-2012 , 03:25 PM

cippo93

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 493

Bet otr in the first hand you will loose value from Qx i think that a lot of people would donk the river with the trips

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01-24-2012 , 03:37 PM

Happyz

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Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 445

hand 1: b/f like 180ish
hand 2: flatting turn is better for reasons noMEANyes mentioned.

@noMEANyes why donk thoose river cards ?

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01-24-2012 , 03:59 PM

NoMeansYes_

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Originally Posted by Happyz

@noMEANyes why donk thoose river cards ?

A lot of his 4x, 5x and 66 - KK might check back the scare cards but call donk bets on them, plus the times he hits straights/flushes he will jam over anyway and I think he would be less likely to bluff those cards with air on this board

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01-24-2012 , 04:13 PM

Happyz

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Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 445

i think you make a good point and donking thoose rivers is possible best
but i don't think we should c/c turned fd or str8 draws so 66-kk should not be that
scared. given flop action i doubt he shows up with weak flushes on the river that might just only call a donk.
conclussion: you are correct especially given it's 30's

ended up losing my orginal reply so quickly rewrote

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01-24-2012 , 07:00 PM

AnJo280

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,654

first hand: i´d b/f a 4 or a 2 but he has more 5s in his range so i´d probably check behind.
If he is extremely passive a verylow bet like yours is fine though

2nd hand: Set up a river shove on the turn.Fish like to call if they think the isnt over yet. By putting them all in you make them decide right then and there if their hand is stronger than yours or not, which is not a good thing once you have the nuts.

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01-25-2012 , 01:48 AM

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mela

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Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 3,228

Hand 1 river bet seems thin but still fine, maybe 80 ish would work better to get a call from worse Qx.

Hand 2 I think you could donk small on the turn to bloat the pot and (possibly) induce.

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Originally Posted by Happyz

hand 1: b/f like 180ish
hand 2: flatting turn is better for reasons noMEANyes mentioned.

@noMEANyes why donk thoose river cards ?

Bet 180 and fold to 10 more chips?

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01-25-2012 , 04:46 AM

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I_Fish

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Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 58

#1 Is the turn bet to thin, many draws got there. Fold to a cr on turn right? Is 80-100 to much on that river. I expect Qx to play more aggro on flop, I expect 5x/flush/straight to dont into me. So I couldnt see many hands to get value from, mostly 2x and Ax.

#2 My thoughts was that I didnt wanna let him decide on the river if more money as gonna go in or not, and I had no read that he would bluff river with missed draw. How about a minr instead. Or CC as NMY said and then gayDB any river?

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