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01-22-2012 , 05:17 PM

I_Fish

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Calling a cr AI here? Dont think they cr this boards light enough for it to be a call. How about if villain cr to 100-120 which looks much stronger?

Poker Stars, $29.37 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11679842

BB: 460 (23 bb)
Hero (SB): 540 (27 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

Hero raises to 40, BB calls 20

Flop: (80) Q

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 40

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Last edited by I_Fish; 01-22-2012 at 05:44 PM.

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01-22-2012 , 05:44 PM

crazyriver

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It's very much villain dependant I'd say.

Anyway if you face a c/r you're going to play against decent draw most of the time or better pair/two pairs. Pretty difficult spot, but I think we have to gii or fold this deep(?), given you hate 50% of turn cards. Just play around with stove/equilab a bit.

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01-22-2012 , 05:49 PM

I_Fish

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I think the average $30 palyer doesnt cr that light, and agaisnt the whole cr range i dont think i do that well. hat do you mean with gii? Call?

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01-22-2012 , 05:51 PM

crazyriver

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By gii I mean get it in, so just shove.

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01-22-2012 , 05:51 PM

pavels4444

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Originally Posted by I_Fish

hat do you mean with gii?

Get It In EDIT: he was faster haha

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01-22-2012 , 05:57 PM

I_Fish

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Ok.
Do you still think that calling is the best play? Or am I to nitty?

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01-22-2012 , 06:52 PM

mela

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Eh, readless I wouldn't mind checking back on this board.

As played I'd call a shove because that looks weaker or drawish from a random, and you are in good shape against most of them. If they c/r to a smaller size it usually is strong but I don't think you can fold anyway. You can find a fold in some cases though.

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01-22-2012 , 07:11 PM

TakeHerOnACruise

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Ya i agree that people won't be c/r this light but there are plenty of draws and Qx J9 J8 type hands getting it in. But it's just a standard get it in for sure. Top pair 23bb deep on a drawy flop pretty standard.

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01-22-2012 , 10:03 PM

Fuzzel65

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Originally Posted by mela

Why check back when so many turn cards are so horrible? Just to avoid having to face a check/raise?

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01-22-2012 , 10:27 PM

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mela

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On this board I don't see much difference between checking back and cbetting with Q5o, as we don't crush any Qx and most draws wouldn't c/c anyway. In other words, I can't see villain flatting our cbet on this board very often.

Things woulda been quite different if we had strong Qx though - I'd much more inclined to bet/call or bet/3bet jam with that.

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01-22-2012 , 10:47 PM

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taikogod

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not much difference between checking back and cbetting?

pretty sure cbetting>>>checking back here, and would gii over a c/r for the reasons THOAC said

there are just way too many turns that kill our hand for us to be checking back

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01-23-2012 , 03:19 AM

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ohly

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totally agree with taiko on this one, not only does betting give you alot of value from worse pairs/draws, you also fold out equity share, which most holdings have plenty of (even a hand like 8s2h has 20% equity, folding out naked 9x is even bigger).

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01-23-2012 , 12:29 PM

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mela

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Ouch, sorry guys, I thought the flop was KJTss instead of QJTss. By strong Qx I meant QT and better

That said, I agree with posters above.

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