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10-21-2013 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by OMGClayDol
lol whether 27 or bigger is better in vacuum, or overall for our strategy is up for debate. i never took either side.

MORE LEVERAGE if we bet smaller and have more stack: pot ratio is a fact... we have more chips and can choose more sizings.. i'm not saying this means a smaller sizing on flop is better lol
in theory yeah, with 329 chips you can have 310 sizings but in practice that means nothing. if you have 5+ sizings on one runout vs one guy you're almost certainly doing it wrong. with both t27 and t40 here you can go for 3 streets of betting or 4 (about equally awkward for both sizings). the difference is that with 27 you set yourself up for worse pot odds on river if you go for 3 streets and better SPR for villain c/r & barreling. I fail to see how that can be better if we're trying to max exploit villain
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10-21-2013 , 12:52 PM
27 is bad because it induces more floats and our hand does not play well on turns against a range that has floats but also trips in it (fish c/c T much more then raise otf here)
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10-21-2013 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by crimsonchin
27 is bad because it induces more floats and our hand does not play well on turns against a range that has floats but also trips in it (fish c/c T much more then raise otf here)
Isn't it just a easy 2barrel then ?
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10-21-2013 , 11:05 PM
When you bet t27 against a reg its def closer wether to 2barrel or not as there are a lot more floats, but the range expands mostly to adding Qx so this turn is one of the worst against a reg, a blank turn would work better against his range imo
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10-23-2013 , 06:14 PM
i donk think 30s regs would fold any turn w Ah Kh after calling 27 cbet on that flop.
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10-24-2013 , 04:38 AM
Thanks all for the answers! Some of my thoughts.

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Originally Posted by none888
if you think he is so loose than barrelling that turn is -ev
about turn, it all depends how loose he is, if you think he will fold K high than go ahead and bet, you can basically bet than atc, if he calls k highs than you have to have some equity to bet
What about if he calls 2 barrels and folds to ship but calls a small bet otr?

Anyway, it was more kind of hand where I missclicked the sizing and want to find out to play the best "as played". I completely realize that so small bet otf is usually bad and it sucks for our ranges playability overall on later streets.

As mentioned my thoughts were that when we somehow bet smaller we induce more floats from his range. But what about if we bomb the turn now and alternatively the river (although I think if they flat the big turn bet they usually have it or won't fold)? I very likely don't have any close to sufficient data to support the profitability of this line and it's more like my intuition, so here I come to ask your opinions.

As I remember (and it might be very selective) a lot of people fold to biggish bet ott (after flatting small bet otf), probably thinking "so he wanted to be tricky otf and induce, missed the value and now is trying to gii anyway", in similar situations. But again I might just be trying to match "the theory" to my bad alternative play. What do you think?

The problem about this is this specific turn card, which more likely hits his wider floating range than not. But about other cards? Would it be an enough difference for us to make a profitable bet?
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10-24-2013 , 12:15 PM
Simply Bet Flop bigger for foldequities and easier get it in When you have Tx or some Strong 4x or Overpair. On Turn give up. River checkbehind as Played.
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