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 Good spot to turn hand into a bluff?  Good spot to turn hand into a bluff?

08-10-2011 , 10:15 PM
The following hand came up in todays session. villain is 59% ITM over a 700 game sample.

this was the 7th hand of the match. before this, the blinds had been traded back and forth with raises and folds. one flop was seen, he raised to 50 i called 75cc, flop went ch ch on 866dd board, i bet the 3 turn and he folded.

this is his 4th button and he had raised every one so far, so i'm perceiving this guy as aggressive

PokerStars - $3.32+$0.18|10/20 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: 1,460.00
Hero (BB): 1,540.00

SB posts SB 10.00, Hero posts BB 20.00

Pre Flop: (30.00) Hero has J J

SB raises to 50.00, Hero raises to 150.00, SB calls 100.00

Flop: (300.00, 2 players) K 2 9
Hero bets 160.00, SB calls 160.00

Turn: (620.00, 2 players) A
Hero bets 480.00, SB calls 480.00

River: (1580.00, 2 players) 4
Hero ???

I turned my hand into a bluff on the turn representing the ace in an attempt to get him to fold a king if he had one. I didn't want to check since i didnt want to get bluffed by flush draws or a nine he himself would turn into a bluff.

With the river leaving me with a half pot sized bet, my question is, can i profitably shove the river as a bluff? i expect all kings and flush draws to fold, which makes up a ton of his range imo. My hand does look like a big ace (AK, AQ, A9) i think. I wasn't sure whether to pull the trigger or not.

As usual, all comments (good or bad) are welcome on any street
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08-11-2011 , 12:28 AM
I like the way u turned your hand into a bluff on turn. It's believable, someone with Ax would play it like u did and would certainly make Kx cringe. Since he called, now it's our turn to cringe on river!

1580 in pot, 670 more for an allin. U only have to be right 1 in 3 times, and all kinds of draws and 9x and maybe even Kx folds here...1-3 is good odds. Shove river.
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08-11-2011 , 02:26 AM
I think if a Kx comes this far then he's not folding to a river jam of this size. I do like the bet since the club draw also missed but i'd just think about your sizing a little more, if we bet 320 on the turn, which we may well do with an A, then on the river we can jam the remaining 830 into a pot of 1260 which is going to be a lot harder for Kx to call.

Generally the bigger the bet on the river here, the more fold equity we'll have and im just not sure that we have enough with the way stack sizes ended up in that hand.
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08-11-2011 , 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by bunzablood
I like the way u turned your hand into a bluff on turn. It's believable, someone with Ax would play it like u did and would certainly make Kx cringe. Since he called, now it's our turn to cringe on river!

1580 in pot, 670 more for an allin. U only have to be right 1 in 3 times, and all kinds of draws and 9x and maybe even Kx folds here...1-3 is good odds. Shove river.


Souleh nailed it. Bet a little less ott and shove river if you're going to turn this into a bluff. My standard would be to go to check-call mode otf and call at least twice if I think he tries to push me around.
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08-11-2011 , 05:33 AM
i like c/c turn c/c (blank) river
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08-11-2011 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Souleh
I think if a Kx comes this far then he's not folding to a river jam of this size. I do like the bet since the club draw also missed but i'd just think about your sizing a little more, if we bet 320 on the turn, which we may well do with an A, then on the river we can jam the remaining 830 into a pot of 1260 which is going to be a lot harder for Kx to call.

Generally the bigger the bet on the river here, the more fold equity we'll have and im just not sure that we have enough with the way stack sizes ended up in that hand.
U r mentioning some solid postflop tactics for proper betsizing here, and certainly u r spot on (fwiw, If I were planning to turn hand into bluff, I would have done the same -> bet less on turn, jam river to achieve more fe), but this is $3 man, I don't think we need to worry about bet-sizing. There are fools at this level who would call for 90% of their chips and fold river. Your comments are best for 15's and up I think..or am I lvling here?!

Overall, I think c/c turn and c/c blank river as Barbra said is the way to go with this hand, but can't fault OP for trying to turn hand into bluff, good of him to try something funky!

Last edited by bunzablood; 08-11-2011 at 12:33 PM. Reason: Souleh: if u r not already, u really should coach!
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08-11-2011 , 03:04 PM
Interesting thrread.

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Originally Posted by bunzablood
but this is $3 man, I don't think we need to worry about bet-sizing. There are fools at this level who would call for 90% of their chips and fold river. Your comments are best for 15's and up I think..or am I lvling here?!
I think OP's read that villain is 59% ITM is pertinent.
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08-12-2011 , 04:25 AM
Thanks for all your comments guys, I agree If I'm setting up a river shove I should bet a little less on the turn as too put maximum pressure with the river bet. I'm still trying to fix my many leaks and advice like this is really helping me. Thanks souleh
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08-12-2011 , 10:17 PM
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1580 in pot, 670 more for an allin. U only have to be right 1 in 3 times, and all kinds of draws and 9x and maybe even Kx folds here...1-3 is good odds. Shove river.
I dont get it? Why do we want flushdraws/9x to fold instead of giving them a chance to bluff? Do you really think that an $3 villian is gonna fold river? Have you never seen a $3 villian calling a 3barell with bottom pair?
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