Thanks for answering. I was asking because I feel last month or so there was a big difference - a lot of regs at 100's , and 60's were quite fine (all during night european time). I know it's not big of a sample to judge (2k games), but the difference between my graphs at 60 and 100 is quite visible - almost break even in chips at 100's and 60 chips per game at 60's. And I even feel while playing that the regs at 100's are waaaaay better and reg to fish ratio is waaaay worse. Anyway, I just wanted to hear another opinion because I am getting paranoid that 100's are dead or something.

Yeah, seems you have unusual sample.
In terms of money I grind 30$ or 100$, depending on my daily routine or mood.
60$ honestly there is no desire to play anymore.
Just for fun or to brawl with regulars.

This mofo FREEQ knows what he is talkin about! What kinda bankroll requirements do you think are needed for 250s FREEQ?

With EV deal
250-300 buyins

Without EV deal
750 buyins at least.

In consideration to the Spin and Go liquidity or just overall game quality decreasing in Spin and Gos isn't it obvious that Spin and Go MAX is just a much more fun format and stole many of the players over from normal Spin and Go's as well?

I've been playing all sort of variations and formats in online poker for years and when considering this format from a recreational players point of view the level of excitement created in a Spin and Go MAX dwarfs the excitement created from a normal Spin and Go.

Would you say the same applies for $30's as well then considering the similar skill levels, as you mentioned above? Hope I'm not underestimating variance here but I do not play w/ 750 buy ins.

It obviously really depend on your expected winrate, chip ev etc.

You obviously don't need 750 buy ins with 60 chip ev.

Im quite sure that after a rec player play lets say about 10 spin and go maxes and for example gets 4 players to play for 1.5 and win 1.5 buy ins after beating 4 players is quite frustrating and you can know that they will leave and go to regular spin and go or some hyper/ko hyper if they dont have time and dont care about jackpot game.

Sometimes I read stables news and really suprised how managers promote guys up to limits.

"Played 3000 games? Yeah, lets go higher"

What the f, how is that even possible.
Are people really have 0 understanding of variance in this game.
In my history there were 15k games at 100$ with 46 chipEV and 25k games at 100$ with 30 chipEV.
And I still don’t understand can I beat at 100$ or not.
But for schools this is not a problem.

Weak minds read news such as a person rises in 3-4 months from 15$ to 100$ playing 2500 games per month.
And they think they can do the same.
But the pain of falling and disappointment will be much stronger than the joy of raising the limits.
Why does everyone post success stories but no hard fall stories.

I don't see a problem unless they don't ask them to move down in limits just as fast

I see your Point with the volume requirements for moving up.
But I dont mind if People are allowed up quite fast.
Contracts are rather short and the Money is made at higher stakes so it is better to move People up fast, if they just had upswing they have to go down again and regrind. The mindsets just have to be strong and accept its a normal Thing to be moved down to lower Limit again and don't instantly see it as failure.
Stables with 30-60k contracts cant just let People Play 10k spins on 1$ Limits to figure out if they really beat it and are worth playing 3$ spins (well maybe extreme example but you know what I mean)

Still waiting for the lifetime Spin graph that Shows ev$ and real$ Buddy

I not promise to post out exactly lifetime graph, but I have in the database games from October 2017.
The relevance of 2 years will be ok.

you dont have too, but i'd love to see! october 17 will be relevan sample for me, too <3

Hi man,

Spin & Go Flash are live on pokerstars.it!

300 starting chips and 1 min levels. Same rake

Usually our italian platform works as .com beta test, so I think it's a matter of days before they will roll on the .com too.

That "new school" guys at 100s is really astonish me.

"benyya", "Qiwo", "Egorchik1995"

vs benyya I played a lot at 30s and he was a typical reg with spew moments.
Today he is a transformated in some sort of GTO expert
I have the feeling of playing with him that I'm sitting against GTO trainer.
But PS closed him acc twice and both times he released and continue playing.
It’s hard to believe, but he’s almost not mistaken and his game is full of super advanced lines.

vs Qiwo, I nominate him to best anomaly of 2019.
He is played 15s in dec'18-jan'19 and today also doing some tough sht.
Also investigated by Stars and released.
But what I want to highlight, that he is played 50+ chipev and positive redline at 60-100 before freeze
And after release first 2 weeks played in VERY WEAK poker with strong negative redline and 30-32 chipEV.
But suddenly he again start to do massive pressure and I make bet his redline again positive and prolly winrate boosted.
I checked a lot of his hands in InstaGTO and PioSolver, many hands were played in the wrong way.
But still I can’t believe that in a year a 21-22 year old guy can learn how to play so strong.

vs Egorchik1995
For me the most respected reg atm, looks a lot more legit than these two.
Strong lines, a few misktakes, good understanding of GTO.


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I would be glad if someone shares observations about these players

How do you know the info about the redline and cev about Qiwo ?

About benyya can you give us an example of advanced line ?

He have a blog, https://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.php?viewtopic=146395

And I'm wrong, he is 20 year old, not 21-22 ;D

Hands with benyya will show you later, I don't open PT4

Haven't played enough hand against any of them lately. Maybe it's not fair to throw players under the bus openly on a forum, i dont know. At the same time these issues need to be discussed somewhere. But i agree with you. Last couple of months more than one player have improved a lot. Usually i think this is natural, the game evolves. But some guys i simply don't give credit. So i'm a bit worried as well atm.

I see nothing wrong with discussing players in open space.
Technology is moving forward and you need to be alert.
And if you notice something, it’s in your interests to raise this topic.

When I was at EPT Panama, at my table some genius guy constantly bent cards in the deck, mainly A, K and Q cards, corners.
None of the players saw it and the dealer did not pay attention either.
But I saw and constantly asked to change the deck.
Should you be silent in such cases if the others are silent? I think no.

when i last played against Qiwo it was after i quit playing fulltime and was playing 15s/30s on the side, i had a special filter for Qiwo and it was something like "opportunity to bet river" "hand value - high card" and you would see pure nitcraft, the ULTIMATE nit he would pretty much never bluff even flops, checking down like T high ETC but he was a huuuuge station, this was around 8months ago

Do you ever use hud?

Did u try the new spins ? opinion ?

nah, but I caught ur thought

No and not gonna.
My personal protest of this game is until the usual spins are still alive.
But if you look lobby of spins flush, there are always 2-3 fish, which means in normal games from 2-3 less fish per unit of time.
End is near.

Hey, Freeq

Been following your journey since the WR Spins per month. Big fan of your thoughts and work ethic. I've been thinking whether you would be interested in a small interview regarding Poker and Spins. I work in a small.Lithuanian project on poker and I think the community would love to hear your ideas. If you're interested we can work out the details here, on email, Discord or Skype.

Yeah I know new accounts are not very trustworthy but I could provide any type of proof you'd like.

yahooooooo

Finished month and time to check results.
Finally satisfied of spending a lot of time in solvers.
There were a lot of fights with regs.
Played a lot of terrible hands, but others were also mistaken.
Perhaps I will make a hands selection with thoughts if you are interested.

22nd I am moving to a new apartment. A little later I will show photos.
I think streams will resume.
We will talk, make GTO bluff-jams and listen good music.

AND FINALLY I'M OVER EV.
THANKS GOD. THANKS VARIANCE.
This is a little oasis in a fkn hell what happened to me in last 1.5 years.