Villain is a fish.. generally weak passive, not too out of line but has done some weird stuff so would not put it past him. He has c/minraised earlier on a 49Jrainbow flop I c-bet and I mucked

He often makes small bets OOP OTR, but that doesn't really effect this hand..


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BB: t1265 25.30 BBs
Hero (BTN/SB): t1735 34.70 BBs

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is BTN/SB with A J
Hero raises to t100, BB calls t50

Flop: (t200) A 5 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t100, BB calls t100

Turn: (t400) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t225, BB raises to t450, Hero folds

Final Pot: t850
BB wins t850


standard b/f yeah?

he would have like 600 behind on the river, and I think he is pretty much shoving everything, and somethings behind on turn have reasonable equity vs me, So I guess if I call turn I call every river which kinda sucks.

Yeah i'd b/f once he min c/r the turn. This line is often the nuts and with the stacks and his line it's hard to imagine him bluffing here, or like c/c K5 then deciding to turn it into a bluff. It's possible he has two pair and is just going for value from a big Ax with like A5 or he could just have the 2.

Hard to imagine continuing here without a strong read.

i'd fold too

Esp against weak passive fish, is there any other option than folding really?

why is this a thread?

anyone like checking turn back and bluff catching? since players seem to reshove every ace pre at this stack size and can be pretty float happy. dont lose value from too much do we?

^-- I kinda agree with this. There aren't that many combos to get value from left. I guess there could be some pair+draw things left, but which? 56s?

any 5 calls any A calls, maybe even 4x (64/74 is def not folding, idk about others)
there's also a flushdraw out there now in case he floated like QThh or whatever; 86hh/87hh
thinking 65 is the only hand we get value from here is really stupid; 2x/76 isn't even that big of a part of his range
the only reason why you would ever check back here is if villain random floats JT type of hands on flop on a daily base and you know this for sure

I think I bet it in-game too, I just got thinking about villain likely 3-betting with any Ace pre and also checkraising flop with an Ace, if he did call pre.
Also that villain might be scared of this board and won't be calling 2 barrels with weaker pairs that much. Admittedly it was stupid to take out all the other 5x hands but 56s....

spamz what do you think is the biggest part of his range here when he cc the flop? 5x and 4x?

wont be too many aces imo and the ones that he does have prob beat us.

also how mcuh should we really consider the fd? i mean its all good saying we could get value from fd but it seems a very low % of the time

how do you not see this? TIIIIIIIILT
how often does he have us beat here? very little, if so, he'll let us know most likely by raising
how often does he have worse hands? A TON, I dont even care if he folds all of them because then we pick up the pot a really high % without losing equity from checking behind
we still beat A6-AT and not A2-A5, just combo wise, we win vs this range easily, saying that every random villain (esp a weak passive one) will 3betjam A2-AT here is ******ed
implieing that i ever said that the flushdraw is a big thing to consider is hilarious
i feel like i'm taking crazy pills

Lol, didn't you see my goal of the month?

[]turn spamz mental

i do see where u r coming from and i did not imply u said fds were a huge consideration.

what i did do was ask you some genuine questions. my qustions wern't even arguing the point that you were wrong about betting :S were more about hand reading

def a b/f imo, don't know what the hell we beat. Also I like betting here since , a lot of people/donks (imo) call this turn because betting here looks kind of bluffy.

not sure wether that makes sense but still I bet/fold

everything the king of the turtles said.

I don't think any 5 calls unless it's 25,45,35,maybe 56. Hands like 46/47/56 all could call the turn but will mostly likely fold rivers unless they improve. Why not check-back and valuebet most rivers? By betting we allow hands that floated us like HH or 68 to bluff that turn, making it hard for us to continue. We can check-back to potentially get value out of 5x and 4x hands and possibly bluff catch. Basically, I think the only hand that calls the turn that we beat is 56 or a7,a8,a9. But I think more often than not he has us beat and sometimes turns his float into a bluff.

why are we not checking turn?

Because villain will c/c with worse hands a lot so we are betting for value.

so villain is awful?

weak passive villain playing poker? easy answer to that one.

because OP had a legitimate, honest question that he had given some thought on? And other posters have indicated confusion as well?

It doesn't have to be close for it to be threadworthy, in fact spots that aren't close that people are learning from are the best type of thread imho.