Opponent was semi aggressive. What you think, i think c-r is standard but what should i have done with his shove? he was aggressive but not insane i think.
Or should you have taken a other line?

PokerStars - $20+$1|15/30 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BB): 1,705.00
SB: 1,295.00

SB posts SB 15.00, Hero posts BB 30.00

Pre Flop: (pot: 45.00) Hero has A 8

SB raises to 60.00, Hero calls 30.00

Flop: (120.00, 2 players) 8 7 2
Hero checks, SB bets 120.00, Hero raises to 300.00, SB raises to 1,235.00 and is all-in, Hero calls 935.00

Turn: (2590.00, 2 players) J

River: (2590.00, 2 players) Q

folding to the shove is ridic. I would play it pretty much the same against most players at this level.

After a cr you'll get action only from a range that basically crushes you. Sure a lot of his hands you are flipping against but I'd definetly take it more slowly. No point getting it in with just a pair of eights at this point in the game, there are plenty of better spots available. Call flop and evaluate.

Almost every turn is a scarecard, so difficult to evaluate if he keeps betting.

Calling is fine, raising is fine. Vs an agressive opponent who can call or re-raise light, raising might be a bit preferable.

VS The top of his range

Hand 0: 52.124% 50.06% 02.06% 104572917 4313671.00 { Ah8s }
Hand 1: 47.876% 45.81% 02.06% 95700829 4313671.00 { AcAd, AcAs, AdAs, KK-99, 8c8d, 8c8s, 8d8s, 7c7d, 7c7s, 7d7s, 2c2h, 2c2s, 2h2s, KhQh, KhJh, KhTh, Kh9h, QhJh, QhTh, Qh9h, JhTh, Jh9h, T9s, T6s, 8c7c, 8d7d, 8s7s, 8c6c, 8d6d, 8s6s, 6h5h, 6h4h, 5h4h, Ac8d, Ac8s, Ad8c, Ad8s, As8c, As8d, Kc8d, Kc8s, Kd8c, Kd8s, Kh8c, Kh8d, Kh8s, Ks8c, Ks8d, Qc8d, Qc8s, Qd8c, Qd8s, Qh8c, Qh8d, Qh8s, Qs8c, Qs8d, Jc8d, Jc8s, Jd8c, Jd8s, Jh8c, Jh8d, Jh8s, Js8c, Js8d, T9o, Tc8d, Tc8s, Td8c, Td8s, Th8c, Th8d, Th8s, Ts8c, Ts8d, T6o, 9c8d, 9c8s, 9d8c, 9d8s, 9h8c, 9h8d, 9h8s, 9s8c, 9s8d }

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Why you dont bring a cbet in this spot? Is this the first spot he brings a full potsize bet?

i'm not the preflop raiser so i can't cbet, or did you mean a donkbet? He was kinda aggressive so he ussualy bet 2/3 to pot

ah sorry my fault. I thought you are the preflop raiser, oop with an agro guy makes a donkbet no sense. sorry and forget my previous post.

result oriented much?

why you ask? Just asking what you think of the shove or other lines. If he had a set or overpair i would not cry that i made a bad play, i would just want to know what someone else would do and think in this spot.

Ofc with more reads you can call and play a turn if you think his range is really polar,but against a random somewhat aggressive opponent readless getting it can't be bad,he stacks off with worse and turn/river might slow him down. I'd be much more inclined to call if we were in position.

The potsize CB makes me think we'll face made hands here a lot more often than draws. Looks like he want to protect his hand against a draw.

What would be the bottom of his range here to get it in?
People always level themselves into thinking their opponent is drawing, so he might get it in here a bit lighter than on a 862-rainbow board...

I actually like ur line. Since u c/r for value there, folding is not an option in a somewhat aggr. match.
Against an unknow I play it the same way and snap-call.
There are usually way too many draws, combo-draws, overs+FD even weaker 8s in his range to make a fold +EV..

But in the end it depends on game flow and how ur opponent views u (how light do u c/r there early in the match, how many c/r bluffs r in ur range).
Also there r many (weaker) opponents at this level, where I could see myself c/c this flop for several reasons..

I think you are right, certainly what his potsize bet ment! it looks like a have a good hand and i'm gonna let you pay to draw or something. But if i call i am so vulnerable. If he bets the turn (what in most cases is a scarecard) then what do i do.
I don't really think my hand is strong enough to go in c-c mode for 2 streets ( i think he would bet turn to) and hope he will check river. Cause i would have a stonecold read if he 3barrels to call the river.

Or do you c-c flop c-r shove turn on a blanc so his draws have less equity?

Interesting question.

If he actually has a made hand, then I like your raise sizing. However, if he's on a draw, then I'd definitely raise a lot higher here. He needs to call 280 into 540, which gives him really great odds.

true! Had already seen that raisesize was too small, should made it something like 400

Wait, how are you gonna know if he has a made hand or a draw?

Not really ture. Raising a little higher makes sense, but for villain to call raise of 180 into 540, means he needs 25%, which he's close to but never quite has against our hand, unless he has like a str8/flush draw since we're almost always shoving the turn. Although like 360-380, would make stack sizes a bit better for a turn shove and would price out even most combo draws.

the bet that he made looks like a madehand i think or an overcard hand with the nut flushdraw maybe. I think that cause if he had air, a smaller bet would get the same result as a big one, i would fold my air, raise big hand and to make it easy call the medium strength hands, so why would he risk potsize bet on a board with much potentiel if he can make me fold for a smaller size, cause he has a made hand and want as much value as possible.

eehhm no?

People make entirely too many assumptions about bet sizing. To go all Phil Laak on you, or he could know that you would think he has a made hand and therefore fold a weak made hand yourself to his 56o , or he thinks you'll raise him wide and he likes the stack size for the 3bet, or he just clicked the pot button for no reason, or he is multi-tabling and seriously tilted, or he is a fish, or..... (On a side note, an overcard hand with a second-nut, or nut, although he can't have that here, flush draw isn't considered a made hand).

If he cbet less than pot previously, sure he most likely doesn't have air, assumptions outside that are a bit overthinking it vs a player at $21 who you don't have like 10 previous games of experience against.

We can only guess of course - unless he has some bet-sizing tells, for instance only pots it with made hands that he wants to gii with and bets smaller with draws.

OP wrote "He was kinda aggressive so he ussualy bet 2/3 to pot" - and if the guy is using different sizings, then it's possible that he's using them based on his type of hand.

However, what about choosing a raise size that will work against both ?

Something like 380 - that'd create a pot of 880 with 855 behind if we get flatted, so we could just jam any safe turn.

Raising to 300 creates a pot of 720 with 935 behind, which kinda sucks.

(I hope I got the math right this time)

I agree about the betsizing! Normally i never raise that small so their is no reasoning behind it, just a mistake i think

Isn't the A in our hand?!