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07-22-2016 , 06:00 AM

thegibson

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,469

Winning Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (2 handed) - Winning Poker Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

Hero (SB) (t560)
BB (t940)

Hero's M: 12.44

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9

, A

Hero raises t45, BB calls t30

Flop: (t120) 9

, J

, 5

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t60, BB calls t60

Turn: (t240) 3

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t100, BB calls t100

River: (t440) 7

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: t440

Spoiler:

171 hands, ColdCall: 47%, F2CB: 42% , F2TurnCB:33%

should I be going for thin value on this river? it seems counter-intuitive no?

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07-22-2016 , 01:24 PM

obbudsman

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 1,472

This is a good hand to check back the flop. It isn't strong value and it doesn't need too much protection. As played, check back the turn for the same reasons. As played, yes your hand is still strong enough to bet the river small for thin value.

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07-23-2016 , 06:29 AM

kakospaidis

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 573

Going for three streets of value is pretty laggy.
Do you have a read this solid that you know you are going to be profitable betting two streets with 2nd pair and thin value betting the riv??
Of course his stats indicate that he is a bit of a station but again.
Going to the river I would guess that his range looks pretty J heavy.
As obbud said checking the flop back is good.
Then you could go for 2 streets of value with this guy.

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07-23-2016 , 06:58 AM

grinder4all

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 1,792

I like betting flop and turn, plenty of draws in his range and it's a wet board so I'm expecting him to check-raise most Jx.

Check the river.

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07-23-2016 , 10:08 AM

thegibson

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Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,469

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Originally Posted by obbudsman

Why can't we be value betting here?

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07-23-2016 , 10:13 AM

thegibson

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Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,469

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Originally Posted by kakospaidis

there is no way to have such a read without a huge sample.
Again, how is this not a value bet? Does villain not have a ton of draws on this flop? The turn did not improve his range and most of his x/c hands will call another bet. Why is checking back flop better than betting? Villain can realize his equity for free. Can't be good.

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07-23-2016 , 03:41 PM

kakospaidis

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Originally Posted by thegibson

I did not say that I wouldn't like a value bet.
I said that I would go for two streets of value.
On the turn and on the river.
Plus If I would bet the flop I'd say that this is a pretty good hand to take the bet-check-bet type of line here.
Of course he has draws on the flop and the turn didnt give his hand any equity probably or imrove him like to 4-12 outs.
But dont you think that when he calls a second time there is a big chance of him having either a FD or a Jx type of hand???

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07-23-2016 , 04:02 PM

thegibson

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Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,469

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Originally Posted by kakospaidis

I did not say that I wouldn't like a value bet.
I said that I would go for two streets of value.
On the turn and on the river.

why are we giving him a free card?

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Originally Posted by kakospaidis

Of course he has draws on the flop and the turn didnt give his hand any equity probably or imrove him like to 4-12 outs.
But dont you think that when he calls a second time there is a big chance of him having either a FD or a Jx type of hand???

sure, he could also have a worse 9x, QT,T8 too.

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