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12-12-2015 , 10:04 AM

obbudsman

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PokerStars - $14.39+$0.61|15/30 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 78.47 BB (VPIP: 76.92, PFR: 61.54, 3Bet Preflop: 66.67, Hands: 13)
Hero (SB): 21.53 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9

Hero raises to 2 BB, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (4 BB, 2 players) K

BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (4 BB, 2 players) 2

BB checks, Hero checks

River: (4 BB, 2 players) 9

BB bets 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Readless.
Probably an easy spot for some of you guys, but I'm not sure what's the best play OTT. After V doesn't probe on this wettish board, can we exclude Kx and strong Tx from his range often enough to barrel turn and most rivers as a bluff?

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12-12-2015 , 01:32 PM

Kalupso

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This is a very standard check back OTT and also flop for most strats. I think you can raise river if you have reads.

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12-12-2015 , 09:44 PM

daviid

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nh, raising river seems pointless. rly tough for you to have anything better than Tx which would be the only part of his range that you are trying to get him to fold.

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12-13-2015 , 01:17 PM

Skyyy

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Wp. Check flop and turn is standard. His small bet OTR looks like 10x, 9x or bluff.

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12-13-2015 , 01:40 PM

saifulh

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i do not think checking back with this hand standard imo.

When we checks back , it makes our hand alot tougher to play on the turn and river since our hand is pretty face up.

Against competent opponent , u give them a chance to double barrel turn and river with an uncapped range since you have shown weakness. If we are turning A high into a bluff catching hand,this is not a board to do so where almost any card on the turn and a river will be bad for you unless u hit an A.

I would rather cbet flop and check back turn to realize our equity and decide river from runout.

As played easy fold on river. the bet looks a tiny value bet rather than a mere bluff

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12-13-2015 , 01:55 PM

obbudsman

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Originally Posted by saifulh

Makes sense, especially since V is aggressive. Given I checked back flop, would you barrel turn (and most rivers)? I think this type of player will probe most draws, Kx and strong Tx, leaving him with mainly weak SDV combos like BP or A high. I feel like I can get him of his hand often enough by the river. Or do you think I can't rep enough on this board after checking flop?

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12-13-2015 , 01:58 PM

obbudsman

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BTW, I mentioned that I was readless. I meant I had no reads on his probing tendencies. He was 3betting a ton, so seemed aggressive

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12-13-2015 , 02:31 PM

saifulh

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Imo , when u check back this flop , your range do not consist alot of Kx or high broadway hands. (QJ,Q10,Q9,10J,AJ,AQ).

and if we bet turn, all we really want him from him is to fold all hands better than ours. its a sticky spot on the river if he decides to call turn

When we barrel turn and river, we basically turn our A high into a bluff since most of our value range will bet the flop. (Kx,A7+,88+). 2 barreling would work , but against competent opponent, they might sniff you out on the river and might even c/r bluff with a weak pair knowing your weak

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12-13-2015 , 04:41 PM

genher

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As played OTF, I am betting the T always

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12-13-2015 , 04:51 PM

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Kalupso

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Originally Posted by genher

As played OTF, I am betting the T always

As a specific exploit here against people probing too much or as standard game plan? I think even most Qx should be checked back here to not bluff too much.

What is your delayed cbet stat?

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12-13-2015 , 08:23 PM

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AndreasX

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Betting turn would be for value/prot i would say. I would expect him/her to bet a 10 o K ott, so that leaves a 7 and the more unlikely 2. Im betting turn like halfpot some times her. More likely to do so vs a villian that is likely to bluff/get tricky on the river less so vs villians who just give up/check down air..

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12-13-2015 , 08:24 PM

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AndreasX

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And again, as a general rule, dont bluff river with considerable showdown value..

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12-13-2015 , 09:20 PM

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genher

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Originally Posted by Kalupso

As a specific exploit here against people probing too much or as standard game plan? I think even most Qx should be checked back here to not bluff too much.

What is your delayed cbet stat?

First, this spot is always a bit controversial and a lot of people are not fans of betting the T here so it's probably pretty close and arguments for both play can me made (it also depends on villain tendencies, your own frequencies and what range you take that line with).

IMO it's a bet because:
When you bet the Turn villain instacheck the river 90% of the time which allows you to go to show down. Instead, when checking the Turn, it often invites a river bluff from villain that we can't call
+ I am always amazed on how many time this ends up being a value bet!
+ If villain folds the T we don't mind (+protection)

Just my 2c

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12-13-2015 , 10:04 PM

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kobmish

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Hand is well played, OP, any other line is suboptimal, it's not close at all readless.

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12-13-2015 , 10:39 PM

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genher

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Originally Posted by kobmish

Hand is well played, OP, any other line is suboptimal, it's not close at all readless.

Because HE knows what's optimal others don't.

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