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15$ spin. Facing turn overbet jam with pretty hand. 15$ spin. Facing turn overbet jam with pretty hand.

02-21-2016 , 10:47 AM
That is a really bad turn card for people to bluff draws on. How often do you actually see people overbet like this with draws in general even on a less worse turncard? Ever see this being a overplayed 4x aswell?

PokerStars - $14.25+$0.75|30/60 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 836
SB: 664 (VPIP: 45.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)

SB posts SB 30, Hero posts BB 60

Pre Flop: (pot: 90) Hero has 8 4

SB calls 30, Hero checks

Flop: (120, 2 players) 5 3 4
Hero checks, SB bets 60, Hero calls 60

Turn: (240, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, SB bets 544 and is all-in
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02-21-2016 , 09:12 PM
This hand is a good choice to c/raise flop with. People are never jamming turn with air but they could be doing it with some flush draws, 46, strong 4x and of course tons of 5x. I can't find a fold here but it might be slightly better if villain isn't ever jamming worse 4x.
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02-23-2016 , 12:40 AM
Yea, my impression aswell that its very much weigted towards showdown value. Not even sure if most people would be overbetjamming their draws here, such a bad turncard to get pairs to fold.
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02-23-2016 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Nefirmative
This hand is a good choice to c/raise flop with.
Just for value or also for other reasons? With a flush draw, backdoor and over protection shouldn't be an issue. Are we really that happy to face a 3bs when villain could easily have 5x, better 4x, straight or a strong combo draw?
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02-23-2016 , 04:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by obbudsman
Just for value or also for other reasons? With a flush draw, backdoor and over protection shouldn't be an issue. Are we really that happy to face a 3bs when villain could easily have 5x, better 4x, straight or a strong combo draw?
I do get it also that the hand is never in bad shape getting it in but thinking variance wise and winrate maximisation, isnt check-calling better cause if we raise/get it in, its just flipping vs a get it in range and even a bit behind since villain can have 2 pair/straights aswell.
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