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02-04-2012 , 10:12 PM

DarkSide11

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Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 311

2nd hand only. Would it be profitable to shove over his raise. I just folded but I think there is fold equity there.

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Hero (BB): 520 (26 bb)
SB: 480 (24 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7

SB completes, Hero checks

Flop: (40) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets 30, SB raises to 100, Hero folds

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02-04-2012 , 10:21 PM

Martin Gale

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Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 520

I would ship ship. People love to check raise paired boards as a bluff. He may even fold a Q

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02-04-2012 , 10:47 PM

bbq

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Originally Posted by Martin Gale

I would ship ship. People love to check raise paired boards as a bluff. He may even fold a Q

I sincerely doubt that

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02-05-2012 , 04:46 AM

crazyriver

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,732

lol at anybody folding a Q.
But yea, given that we have at least some fold equity and around 40% hand equity I think we can ship it probably.
Btw. Why did you lead here?

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02-05-2012 , 05:39 AM

DarkSide11

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Originally Posted by crazyriver

Btw. Why did you lead here?

Fold equity

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02-05-2012 , 06:31 AM

mjwhit

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Originally Posted by Martin Gale

I would ship ship. People love to check raise paired boards as a bluff. He may even fold a Q

He didnt check raise. He definately isnt folding a Q.
I think jamming here is better than folding.

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02-05-2012 , 08:30 AM

Martin Gale

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 520

Sheeeyt, I misread the hand badly. I have seen people fold ****ty Qs in these spots though, obviously its terrible but they do it.

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02-05-2012 , 08:36 AM

pm_sknk

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Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 167

I like the lead, it may induce some spazz, so I'm definately jamming

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02-06-2012 , 12:10 AM

Quimp

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Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,130

Shove.

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Originally Posted by Martin Gale

I have seen people fold ****ty Qs in these spots

How do you know?

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02-06-2012 , 12:30 AM

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Wee

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 686

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Originally Posted by Martin Gale

I would ship ship. People love to check raise paired boards as a bluff. He may even fold a Q

3rd bet on dry board = bluff

In this case a semi bluff- but If he is thinking at all he would snap with a queen.

(snap call obv)

Last edited by Wee; 02-06-2012 at 12:40 AM.

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02-06-2012 , 12:37 AM

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Freakg

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People does not fold Q2o there

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02-06-2012 , 09:26 PM

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welsh-witch1

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i would jam only 20bb deep also!

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02-07-2012 , 09:22 PM

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zorzak

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Originally Posted by Quimp

How do you know?

my thoughts also haha

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02-07-2012 , 09:33 PM

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Ronin Talken

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Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,326

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Originally Posted by pm_sknk

I like the lead, it may induce some spazz, so I'm definately jamming

+1

I think a lead is standard too. We have no showdown equity but plenty of pot equity. I might CC a bigger FD, but I think leading with even speculative pot equity when we have no showdown equity unimproved is usually better.

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02-08-2012 , 04:47 PM

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Martin Gale

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Originally Posted by Quimp

Shove.

How do you know?

Fish love to show their hero folds. Honestly, I have seen it.

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02-08-2012 , 06:59 PM

#16

Quimp

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Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,130

It might have happened but don't expect anyone else to fold.

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02-09-2012 , 10:24 AM

#17

5adegh

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Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 65

In hyper turbos,there are maniacs that shove their Ax hands so I think it depends on your opponent type.
I think there must be 3 different scenarios that may your opponent fold to your shove while he has a Queen:
1.he is passive and tight (probably he is not cause he raised you)
2.he has a tight imagine of you so he thinks you have a monster like QQ !
3.he is new in hyper turbo games so he think it is more profitable to fold Q and lose 20% of stack !
4.he is just bluff raising

I personally shove my flash draw here

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