iv chosen these two hands because i think it should create some interesting deiscussion about bluffing vs bad players and high variance vs low variance plays.

villain is the same in both cases. i think the villain plays these games/stakes fairly regularly and has ss blocked. he could either be a big whale or a 9man guy or something. either way his heads up game is very predictable and non tricky except for an element of 'slow playing' but not the sort of player to go for thin value etc so really easy to play against

specific reads:
-tight oop has only defended 35% over 150hands and has only 3bet 10% over that sample
-when he does call he doesnt tend to give up on the flop. before todays session he hadnt folded to a cbet and today didnt fold many. mainly took cc lines with most of his range and the odd donk or cr
-has cc with trips, TP, TP+FD, Ahigh
-will call down too light in certain situations but not a total station and has a fold button

this is hand 11 of game 2. i won the first and won 7 out of 8 of the first hands in game 2. all either open folds or folds to mr.

in hand 9 he cr flop 1084 rainbow. which doesnt hit his range too hard so he could have been playing back.

basically bcos he had cr that flop i thought this lead was fos. i think the turn is pretty mandatory barrel but what you guys think about the river. fwiw i dont think he is ever folding a Q but will likely shove a Q on the turn. i also highly doubt hes leading a monster on the flop. would be really out of character but not impossible i suppose.

so give up on river or shove?



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Hero (BTN/SB): t1500.00 50 BBs
BB: t1500.00 50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN/SB with 9 8
Hero raises to t60, BB calls t30

Flop: (t120) 3 6 Q (2 players)
BB bets t60.00, Hero raises to t180, BB calls t120

Turn: (t480) T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t345.00, BB calls t345

River: (t1170) 4 (2 players)
BB checks


hand 2 is from game 4.


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BB: t1390.00 23.17 BBs
Hero (BTN/SB): t1610.00 26.83 BBs

Pre Flop: (t90) Hero is BTN/SB with J 5
Hero raises to t120, BB calls t60

Flop: (t240) 9 6 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t135.00, BB calls t135

Turn: (t510) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (t510) 3 (2 players)
BB bets t300.00

ok so he bets the river here and im thinking. i have seen him try to slow play on so many rivers and this board doesnt really hit his range at all.

he shoves all small/mid PPs pre. he has 57 or 107 here such a small % of the time it is negligable. he can def have a flush but loves slow play. i also have jd blocker

so i time down a little. cursor moves from shove to fold, fold to shove....

in before spamz lol

I cant find a third barrel in hand one, mainly due to the fact the flop is so dry. If hes hero calling the turn i see no reason why this would change on the river. whats his calling turn cb stats?

In hand 2 i don't think i would cb? can you explain why the board does not hit his range, surely their are a fare few middle connecting and suited hands in his range.

well i'll wait a bit for replies then
just will point out that
"in hand 9 he cr flop 1084 rainbow. which doesnt hit his range too hard so he could have been playing back."
is weird because that board smacks a defendrange more often than it does a raising range

^^^^^^lol brilliant

thanks for waiting bcos too many people here just read what u say and are scared to disagree.

all i ment was his value range for cr there is super small unlike KJ9 or something. dont think it was too unreasonable so if u r just waiting to try and pick at every detail and encourage the posse of $6 donks to join in and educate me then id rather u just didnt.

ofcourse welcome constructive critisism

Hahaha, Spamz, wait until I reply. I am going to get a lot of hate for the way I advocate to play hand 2 lol. Spamz will def disagree, then the $6 donks will pile on w/ hate, so plz wait.

I guess I am slow but how is the turn a mandatory bet on the first hand? The flop is dry as hell, if he was going to fold it would probably of been on the flop. I def don't mind the flop cr in hand 1, but after that I shut down. Especially against a semi-competent player with calling station tendencies, he will talk himself into a call with A6 or whatever weird crap he is donking. He is also aware, just as you are, that it is very likely no one has anything on this flop. Also, I doubt he is shoving a weak Q on the turn, but will call on the river.

And second hand, never doing anything but folding river. Draws got there, and you have said he has called with trips, top pair, etc so he is def able to slow play two pair hands/straight/whatever. Also, 35% isn't that tight of an oop range, so his range def. includes hands like 98o, 57s etc. Your shove needs to work 58% of the time atleast to be profitable, and I somewhat doubt it does.

I feel like I am being quite nitty here, but in my opinion these are spewy.

Is the idea of discusing hands not to provoke thoughts and ideas both in our selfs and each other. Just because somebody less skilled than yourself replys you feel their is no need to reply.

Only by explaining our thoughts and ideas, even the ones we know to be true, can we find leaks and flaws we didn't even know existed. So yes while you are going to gain from spamz knowledge don't write off what can be gained from revisiting what you already know.

Im now really getting the point that the other poster (sorry forgot who brought it up) was getting at.

shove hand 1
fold hand 2

ok, Regarding hand 1, how often are you c-betting, c-bet %age. If you have a high c-bet %age then I suggest 3-barreling, but if you have a low c-bet %age, I suggest folding the flop.

Hand 2, I am going to suggest 3-different lines that will prolly get a decent amount of hate.

1st, and my preference, and this line will get the most hate especially from Spamz, is to check back the flop. You described your opponent as predictable, and I feel that checking back the flop here is best vs predictable opponents.

2nd, bet the flop and jam turn.

3rd, bet flop, bet turn, jam river.

Go easy on me guys.

This

i have high cbet % vs this player

also can fold out 6x 77 88 etc with a turn barrel.

in the 1st game he cc flop and crai turn on k45J with k8 so thats y i think it is less likely he has a queen.

river is interesting imo bcos it makes it very hard for him to call with 6x PPs
and his random floats picked up a gut shot or pair on turn which we have good fold equity against

hand 2 i think we have good FE bcos
1. he has bluffs a good %
2. he has a straight a very low %
3. never (and im 99% sure about this) has a set
4. we have FE vs 9x and worse imo

In hand 2 can i ask why you didn't barrel the turn, what cards do you barrel. If hes calling 100% of cbs shouldn't barreling the turn% be real high?

Hand 1 I agree that he almost never has a Q there, but the question is whether the guy is able to fold a hand like 88 or 76. Call me a nit, but I'm not making plays like this very often against the type of player you are describing. If he's clinging that hard to a weak piece, it should be easy to extract a ton of value from our TP+ hands. This is one of those spots where he shows up with 88 and just doesn't want to give it up, but if you had waited for a Q you would have taken a ton of chips off of him with awesome odds.

Hand 2 I wouldn't cbet, and as played snap fold river. I wouldn't cbet because the only good turn card for us is the J, and he's going to make our life difficult on the turn/riv with almost his entire calling range. I just don't like putting in a lot of chips w/crappy hands against someone who doesn't fold.

I think his C/R range is mostly air, so a donk means something different. I might just fold flop or give up after raising the flop.

hand 2--why do we c-bet if we are going to check turn?

agreed dont like cbet in hand 2. the reason i thought the flop donk could be weak because even fish know if they have a hand here they should cr again because people will start playing back

Omg Ryan, you have just said exactly what i have said with exactly the same thought processes, although i suck at putting thoughts to paper. I feel truely chuffed right now.

edit: Im assuming your good as you got a response, i got called a $6 donk lol

yet too hear a good argument to not shoving in hand 2 tbh. iv heard i need 58% fold equity and at first i thought that was a lot but i dont know if he has a hand good enough to call 42% of the time

i agree that as played to jam hand 2, i just don't agree with the as played--if I cbet i'll be dbl barrelling

Agreed, i just feel against this type of villain we should be value towning him and not finding ourselfs in this kind of situation to often.

fold both imo

hand 1 you can shove a scary river but not a blank imo

hand 2 looks like value

hand one to me just feels like, eh my queen is top pair still, guess ill call

Spamz, you have my personal permission to comment now. Sarcasm intended.