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11.50$ 3 hands same villain 11.50$ 3 hands same villain

05-08-2011 , 05:05 AM
we played 43 hands and he was really strange.
BU VPIP 90 limp 71 raise 19
SB VPIP 67 3bet 8
- with an flopped monster he checked behind on the flop and bets half pot one time.
- he shows many bluffs on the flop or on the river and sometimes I folded the best hand because give him to much credit in some spots.



1. hand
I think this is standard here? He was early really tight and folds a lot, so I was a litte bit worried after he calls me here. Turn I check behind zu control the potsize and I would call a normal river bet or fire a value bet i´ve he checks to me.

Stacks:
hero (BTN) (1,605)
BB (1,395)

Blinds: 20/40

Pre-Flop: (60, 2 players) hero is BTN Q 7
hero raises to 80, BB calls 40

Flop: J 5 Q (160, 2 players)
BB checks, hero bets 80, BB calls 80

Turn: 6 (320, 2 players)
BB checks, hero checks

River: 10 (320, 2 players)
BB bets 200, hero calls 200

2. hand
ugly spot, he switched from a tight guy to an player likes to bluff in a lot of hands, but its ok. He give me a lot of reads when he shows his bluffs to me.
back to the hand, Flop is standard for me, I bet a little bit more because its really draw heavy. Turn I get 2 pairs, but he donks here.
What should I do here? call/push? There are so many hands I dont wanna see on the river, K 7 maybe i´m already behind here.

Stacks:
hero (BTN) (1,195)
BB (1,805)

Blinds: 25/50

Pre-Flop: (75, 2 players) hero is BTN 9 Q
hero raises to 100, BB calls 50

Flop: Q 8 10 (200, 2 players)
BB checks, hero bets 125, BB calls 125

Turn: 9 (450, 2 players)
BB bets 250, hero ???


3. hand
ok this comes direct after the 2. hand.
preflop is standard I think, on the flop his minraise is ugly but with 2oc and the nutflush I can easy push here or not?


Stacks:
BTN (2,030)
hero (BB) (970)

Blinds: 25/50

Pre-Flop: (75, 2 players) hero is BB A Q
BTN calls 25, hero raises to 150, BTN calls 100

Flop: 4 8 8 (300, 2 players)
hero bets 150, BTN raises to 300, hero goes all-in 820, BTN calls 520
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05-08-2011 , 05:17 AM
bet the turn in hand 1, an unlikely event (check-raise) shouldn't determine your betting pattern

second hand will be difficult to play on the river but raising would be bad. i think calling turn and reevaluating river is the best play.

hand 3 is completely standard.
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05-08-2011 , 06:16 AM
You keep posting BU and SB stats at the beginning of posts - button and sb are the same position...

1. bet turn unless you think he has nothing and will bluff river if you check behind
2. i prob fold because if i just call i expect this villain to fire again
3. i wouldn't 3x this shallow, but as played standard.
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05-08-2011 , 01:44 PM
1.I like checking on turn for pot control and if Villain was floating with air he is def leading out OTR.
2.I think calling OTT is ok given your reads.
3.I'm jamming here bc we're 19bb deep and it's not the kind of hand I want to be pot commit OOP.
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05-08-2011 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by rockafella93
3.I'm jamming here bc we're 19bb deep and it's not the kind of hand I want to be pot commit OOP.
you mean preflop? i'm like 99% sure that this is a leak.
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05-08-2011 , 03:20 PM
3. hand
Postflop we hit a monster and we're happy to stack off although he shows a monster too by min raising and screaming for value. Still easy push.

2. hand
Given the stacks and the game flow - him bluffing you - I like calling here and calling any river. On the other hand we don't like so many cards on the river so you may push if you feel you can be called by worse here. Be sure he will barrel you on the river like 95% of the time.

1. hand
fire 2nd barrel and if he checks the river then check back. I don't see any reason for no barreling this one. Especially as there are some draws on the board.
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05-09-2011 , 04:45 AM
thx guys for the answers.

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Originally Posted by Dalglish
You keep posting BU and SB stats at the beginning of posts - button and sb are the same position...
yea my fault sorry but the stats are ok so far

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Originally Posted by Dalglish
3. i wouldn't 3x this shallow, but as played standard.
you just call here?

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Originally Posted by rockafella93
3.I'm jamming here bc we're 19bb deep and it's not the kind of hand I want to be pot commit OOP.
I´ve he minraise I jam sometimes, 3x -> easy jam, but vs a limp I prefer here a raise.
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05-09-2011 , 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by chaosad
you just call here?
sorry my mistake, i thought u were 3xing from the button. Ye i think i play it the same way you did.
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05-09-2011 , 10:49 AM
hand 1: I would bet the turn personally, as played tho is good, checking the turn helps keep the pot small and gives him a chance to bluff river when he has nothing

hand 2: Pretty difficult spot imo, has he donked before? if i had a J there i certainly wouldnt be donking out on that board as i dont think much value can be gained from it, I'd check and hope you fire a second barrell, seems more like a flush draw here trying to get you to fold, I'd prob reraise here and just get it in now

hand 3: well played, chances are you have the best hand on the flop, and even if he has an 8 you have lots of outs to improve
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05-09-2011 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ohly
you mean preflop? i'm like 99% sure that this is a leak.
When you say it's a leak-it's a leak.Playing OOP with a hand like this about 20bb deep is a leak of mine.I want to know what's a good play with this hand on a dry board which we don't hit-cbet/f;c/jam/;c/f??
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05-10-2011 , 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by rockafella93
When you say it's a leak-it's a leak.Playing OOP with a hand like this about 20bb deep is a leak of mine.I want to know what's a good play with this hand on a dry board which we don't hit-cbet/f;c/jam/;c/f??
depending on the board and villain probably
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05-10-2011 , 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by crazyriver
depending on the board and villain probably
this, though it might very well be the case that you are going to misplay some boards when you raise instead of shove, i myself misplay this spot horribly alot i guess.
but this just doesn't make up for the times when he holds dominated holdings like QT or Ax and folds them to a shove while he would have called a normal raise and outflops you maybe 1 out of 6(?) times. with those stacksizes your postflop leaks must be pretty big to compensate for your preflop edge imo.

also think about it this way: whenever you get into a tough spot you are about to learn and improve your game, while you will stagnate in skill level when you constantly avoid tough decisions. not saying you should try to get yourself into unnecessarily tough spots, but you shouldn't deviate from the play that appears to be most +EV to make your life easier.

hope that makes sense, i wasn't trying to insult you or anything
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05-10-2011 , 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ohly
this, though it might very well be the case that you are going to misplay some boards when you raise instead of shove, i myself misplay this spot horribly alot i guess.
but this just doesn't make up for the times when he holds dominated holdings like QT or Ax and folds them to a shove while he would have called a normal raise and outflops you maybe 1 out of 6(?) times. with those stacksizes your postflop leaks must be pretty big to compensate for your preflop edge imo.

also think about it this way: whenever you get into a tough spot you are about to learn and improve your game, while you will stagnate in skill level when you constantly avoid tough decisions. not saying you should try to get yourself into unnecessarily tough spots, but you shouldn't deviate from the play that appears to be most +EV to make your life easier.

hope that makes sense, i wasn't trying to insult you or anything
Ty for sharing your thoughts on this,I agree with it.And I wasn't insulted from your previous post I just wanted to see what a much more skilled and expirienced player like you thinks about this.
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05-10-2011 , 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by crazyriver
depending on the board and villain probably
Ok,I have some Q's,I would be thankful if any1 could share his opinion..

(18bb deeb) So we are on BB with AQs,villain(limps a lot and plays LAG postflop) limps,we raise 3x and he calls.
flop:J 7 2r
We cbet (4bb into 6bb pot?) here i guess and what we do if Villain calls or jams.

Second Q:
The flop is the same but this time Villain is TAG.
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05-10-2011 , 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by rockafella93
Ok,I have some Q's,I would be thankful if any1 could share his opinion..

(18bb deeb) So we are on BB with AQs,villain(limps a lot and plays LAG postflop) limps,we raise 3x and he calls.
flop:J 7 2r
We cbet (4bb into 6bb pot?) here i guess and what we do if Villain calls or jams.

Second Q:
The flop is the same but this time Villain is TAG.
1 - I don't c-bet vs lag, rather c/jam
2 - c-bet/fold probably (also depending on his calling c-bet tendencies)

Of course it can still depend on meta game but these are petty usual for me.
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