Juicy HORSE game on line. The player in question here is the action junkie in the game. Doing sill stuff like bring-in for a completion in Stud-Hi and getting involved in a ton of pots in all the games. The live one for sure. He is some sort of nose-bleed PLO player.

Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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Pre Flop: Hero is MP1 with Q Q
2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, BTN calls, 2 folds

Flop: (5.5 SB) 8 J 8 (2 players)
Hero bets, BTN calls

Turn: (3.75 BB) K (2 players)

Hero's action?

value check the turn since I think its a mistake to fold this hand HU vs this villain...if he checks behind bet virtually any river, or just c/c if he bets the turn & river

bet and call down

i 2nd this notion

if you check even very bad players will realize you are intent on getting to showdown. You might get him to value bet a worse hand but its unlikely.

Just bet for value and maybe to induce a bluff.

wtf, this seems like a .5/1 hand

95% of the advice offered in this forum involves calling down. this game is so dumb its all idiots trading money and running hot then cold until the rake catches them all

Most definitely.

I asked a few High Stake regs and got a few different answers but nothing definitive fwiw.

High Stakes regs????? Who do you think the people in this forum are?

you should bet hoping to get raised and call down. checking is too weak, i want value with QQ against an idiot here. the K is a great card for him to decide to do something stupid.

i 3rd this notion

looking at your options:

1) check/calling: he is more likely to have an 8 than other players who would cold call your raise. he may fold hands on the turn, but think that he can bet when you check. don't know if he'd bet river given you called turn K.

2) bet/calling: as stated by mikel. he may decide to do something stupid w/ stuff like T9, QT, or even a lone jack. he may believe it is for value w/ a lone jack (not too likely).

3) bet/3betting: he'd have to be a sick action junkie for this to be right and you've had to have seen a similar situation where he showed up w/ a lower pair or a J.

4) check/raising: may fold hands he'd raise if you bet or bet/bet, but he could bet/call turn w/ those same draws he'd raise with. less likely to get river bet out of him if it blanks.

looking at those options, bet/calling seems to be the best...

Barron

High Stakes regs.

I did bet and get raised and thought he has to be really bad to not have a K here once I call.

didn't you say he was really bad. i assumed you weren't bet folding and your description was of an action junkie.

if he isn't that bad and just gets involved in lots of pots but plays decently on later streets, an argument can be made for bet/calling, check/folding the river. i don't see how you can bet/fold the turn though given your initial description of the player. PLO does not transfer well to limit holdem...so i would think you are good well enough to bet/call down vs. an action junkie PLO player...of course, i don't know the guy so i'm not sure if my comments add any value...

Barron

omg please say you didnt fold. that K is the biggest lag bluff raise card ever. never ever ever ever fold.

Bet-folding is terrible in my opinion too!

Oh no, I called. I knew what my line was as soon as I saw the K, bet and call down. Plus, I'm not a reg in the game, I'm taking a shot so, no brainer to head to show down. I got an opinion of "I dont always bet there" from two high stake regs and figured I'd post it.

He'd have to be pretty bad to show up with a worse hand if he raises that turn card. I don't think that checking is bad at all.

Wouldnt he raise the turn with QT, AQs or some heart combo every ONCE in a while?

T9s too, but once I call, I cant see the river bet too often.

i agree and as stated, a case can be made for bet/calling the turn and check folding the river...personally i think you played the hand fine.

Barron

I don't know how bad he plays.

Isnt an action bound PLO player more likely to fire another bullet on his bluff considering he propably knows that you know that he can't bet the river once you call the turn? Or am I outleveling myself?