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Old 01-06-2011, 09:52 PM   #1
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Public service announcement Kagome Kagome is ihatejuice

I found out the hard way that Kagome Kagome is ihatejuice. He sat 30/60 with me and I played him. His location was Japan. He was playing pretty poorly and definitely not like a top limit holdem heads up player.

So I asked him to play bigger and we settled on 300/600. 8 hands into the match I asked him about how he just randomly shows up and wants to play super big.

He then says oh you didn't get the full tilt email I'm Ihatejuice. Obv I insta quit and am furious. He claims the japan thing was 'just for fun'. He has a japanese name, a japanese location, and Japanese avatar, and that's just like OK?

He offered and sent me back 33% of the 7200 I lost, which is definitely decent of him but it's still complete bs that full tilt would allow him to fake his location as Japan and also that he would bait me into playing higher by playing bad at 30/60.

Complete bs.
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Old 01-06-2011, 09:57 PM   #2
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Re: Public service announcement Kagome Kagome is ihatejuice

I agree, that is total BS... esp the baiting part.
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Old 01-06-2011, 10:01 PM   #3
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Re: Public service announcement Kagome Kagome is ihatejuice

Is this guy really THAT DAME GOOD at HU limit?
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Old 01-06-2011, 11:22 PM   #4
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Re: Public service announcement Kagome Kagome is ihatejuice

Uh, I had two friends playing him bk (who are FULLY aware of Ihatejuice and would never play him) and I was telling them (2+2 was not working, which is where I read it might be him) that it was him and somehow he switched his location to get action. For someone who claims he does nothing unethical this just goes to show me more that I should not trust online people as far as I can throw them.

Both of them quit, and I strongly thought that Ihatejuice was just playing sub-optimally to bait them to play higher or just in a bad patch of cards, either way, VERY UNETHICAL.
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Old 01-06-2011, 11:47 PM   #5
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Re: Public service announcement Kagome Kagome is ihatejuice

im guessing FT may have suggested he think of a name change, idk.

I have no dramas with 'IHateJuice' but seems some people do, maybe not the best marketing/advertising when thats the name of the most railed LHE player at the site with his own 3k/6k table. Just speculating.

Im sure he'll tell us.

Either way, its kinda shady but good if hime to tell you when you asked and ship back some of the coin you lost
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Old 01-06-2011, 11:56 PM   #6
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Re: Public service announcement Kagome Kagome is ihatejuice

First of all, I wrote a message that I was IHJ at the beginning of every match until a few hours ago, when word had spread about my identity and also everyone had received an email from FTP. Most of the time I wasn't taken seriously, and yeah, I didn't mind. Most of you can't imagine how I wait at the tables every single day, and never get any action. It can be pretty boring.

The least thing on earth I would do is ever playing a hand suboptimally on purpose. Reading **** like "He was playing pretty poorly and definitely not like a top limit holdem heads up player" makes me wonder why you were pissed at all, if that's how you respect my A game.

You beat me for like 30 bets at the 30/60 and kept bugging me about moving up in stakes. I even asked you if you were sure, and ofc I took the chance. At this point you had SO many ways to know who I am.

1) email
2) my play
3) 2P2
4) PTR
5) see me waiting at every table up to 3k6k?

Now think about who else on this planet would have even returned you money after you were clearly mistaken. From my perspective you could aswell be taking a shot at me, and once you realize things don't go your way, you claim to have no idea what's going on. Let's call this a moral freeroll.

Dunno why I even bother explaining myself for 8 hands and 3k. If ppl on here won't stop badmouthing me for every **** I will just handle things like every other pro, leaving the forums and you won't ever hear from me again.

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€: I absolutely refused changing my SN until the last moment, but FTP forced me to do it, and I can see their point. They told me there were too many complaints. I also asked them whether I could chose Japan as my new location, as I'm a huge fan of this country and love to spend my time there, and it was OK.

All the people complaining that they played 5 to 50 hands against a better player - don't make me ****ing laugh. Do you even know your EV? It's prolly between zero and one. One single bet. When I tried sitting with different people today I was buttoned FOUR times, three of them were Americans. Do you hear me complaining? Just open your eyes and see what a bunch of bumhunters and button stealers the limit HU community has become.

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Old 01-07-2011, 01:49 AM   #7
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Re: Public service announcement Kagome Kagome is ihatejuice

I think no one has a problem that FTP forced you to change your name, but the location switch is very unethical for a myriad of reasons. Doesn't matter if it's for fun or not. If you don't see how that can mislead a TON of people in the future, not everyone has played you headsup and gets an e-mail or checks ptr or 2+2. Hard from them to connect the dots if you are sitting from Japan.

Your a great player and no one can take that from you. Funny though that people assumed your skill level was lower than it is due to a new name/location.
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Old 01-07-2011, 02:15 AM   #8
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Re: Public service announcement Kagome Kagome is ihatejuice

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Funny though that people assumed your skill level was lower than it is due to a new name/location.
How can you think it's funny. For those of us who've played high limit holdem heads up for quite awhile, we know that there aren't any of the 'top' players who are japanese, at least at heads up limit holdem.

To put your location at that in addition to you new name is complete bs.

It's unethical and while sending back fixes some of the ill will, the fact you did it and the fact full tilt allowed it, is unforgettable.
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Old 01-07-2011, 02:20 AM   #9
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Re: Public service announcement Kagome Kagome is ihatejuice

imo FTP's actions are infinitely worse than Hasu's.

Actually, that isn't my opinion, that's a fact.
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Old 01-07-2011, 02:25 AM   #10
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Re: Public service announcement Kagome Kagome is ihatejuice

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1) email
2) my play
3) 2P2
4) PTR
5) see me waiting at every table up to 3k6k?

I mean seriously..

1) Most people use separate emails for poker that they don't constantly check. You really expect people to be responsible to check their email a couple times per day to prevent this?

2) I haven't played you very much nor have I studied your play. We also only played 100-200 hands. Even if I knew how you played, it's not too likely I would have known.

3) High stakes players should be expected to check random two plus two threads? Even on top of that it's not like it was posted in the high stakes limit holdem.

4) You're expecting me to table ratings everyone I play? It surely seems that people dont care about ptr, and I don't care if people do, but to seriously expect me to investigate your ptr that doesn't even say anything about you. I guess xerok now wrote now that it's you, but it's from 3 hours ago, after we played.

5) Again, do you really expect me to search every person I play to see what tables they are on, and then deduce who they are based on that?

You have got to be kidding me.
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Old 01-07-2011, 02:31 AM   #11
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Re: Public service announcement Kagome Kagome is ihatejuice

Wow, incredible how you can even talk back to me after I sent you 3 BB at 300/600 for 8 hands of play. If my edge is 2BB/100 your EV was just -0,16BB, or 96$. Now I wish I hadn't.
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Old 01-07-2011, 02:37 AM   #12
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Re: Public service announcement Kagome Kagome is ihatejuice

How can you expect me to not be infuriated you unethically baited me into playing you. You can't honestly expect me to believe you think changing your location to japan 'for fun' is ethical.
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Old 01-07-2011, 02:40 AM   #13
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Re: Public service announcement Kagome Kagome is ihatejuice

WTF Full Tilt? Changing high volume player names?
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Old 01-07-2011, 02:57 AM   #14
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Re: Public service announcement Kagome Kagome is ihatejuice

why the name change in the first place?
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Old 01-07-2011, 03:27 AM   #15
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Re: Public service announcement Kagome Kagome is ihatejuice

Full tilt really needs to get their ****ing act in order with sn changes.
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Old 01-07-2011, 04:49 AM   #16
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Re: Public service announcement Kagome Kagome is ihatejuice

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WTF Full Tilt? Changing high volume player names?
New standard for high vol players (see this NVG thread if you havent.)

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Old 01-07-2011, 08:34 AM   #17
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Re: Public service announcement Kagome Kagome is ihatejuice

SHOCKING turn of events
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Old 01-07-2011, 08:35 AM   #18
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Re: Public service announcement Kagome Kagome is ihatejuice

I have more of an issue with FTP. Everyone knows about Hasu with his group colluding, angling, skyping, teamviewing, playing under german accounts in order to get action, etc.. issues. The fact that fulltilt makes any accomodations for him is mindblowing. They basically gave him permission to con people or hustle people on their site. Id love to see the correspondence with fulltilt which allowed you to deceive people. Sending back after your called out on it, quite noble.
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Old 01-07-2011, 11:07 AM   #19
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Re: Public service announcement Kagome Kagome is ihatejuice

to hasu: I respect your wish to be first in LHE and I like your game, but yesterday you acted badly and disapointed me
If you want to play with regs(100/200 is not big money for you i think, and for some top guys too) you must ask them in chat, but not to cheat with nicknames and countries.
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Old 01-07-2011, 11:46 AM   #20
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Re: Public service announcement Kagome Kagome is ihatejuice

So my little goebels you got the high command of full tilt to let you change your name.
I don't blame ya. Damn good deal. And that pretty little nest ya feathered for yourself. Well, if your willing to barbecue the whole high command, I suppose that's worth certain considerations. Now I don't care about you gettin pensions, merit badges, ticker tape parades, and the opportunity to play people who don’t realize who you are who gives a damn, let's all go home.
But I do have one question my precious Jew hater?
When you go to your little place on Nantuckett Island, I image you gonna take off that handsome looking SS uniform of yours, ain't ya?

That's what I thought. Now that...I can't abide. How bout you my high limit regulars? can you abide it?

Bicycle Kick/Enon/Zziegler/SallyWoo/OTR15/Quat/Mike: “Not one damn bit, sir.”

I mean if I had my way, you'd wear that goddamn fulltilt name for the rest of your pecker suckin life. But I'm aware that's ain't practical. I mean at some point ya gotta hafta take it off.
So I’m glad this post has been created and we can carve our figurative artwork into your forehead so all know who you really are and I’m glad Bicyclekick gave you something you can’t take off.

I hope this carving sticks in your forehead for all to see for a long time. Interesting you like Japan so much. An axis man to the end my friend.

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Old 01-07-2011, 11:58 AM   #21
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Re: Public service announcement Kagome Kagome is ihatejuice

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why the name change in the first place?
If you're an optimist and hadn't read the NVG thread, you might assume that FT had received enough complaints about a German player calling himself ihatejuice (thinly veiled "I hate jews"), that they offered/required him to change his sn.

This certainly doesn't seem to be the case, tho, since they also permitted the location change and have permitted others to name change for apparently arbitrary reasons.

ETA: Didn't see Thomer's post before posting. I'll assume AllIn has had his question answered thoroughly now.

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Old 01-07-2011, 12:08 PM   #22
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Re: Public service announcement Kagome Kagome is ihatejuice

They obv changed his name because lots of people thought it was offensive.
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Old 01-07-2011, 12:14 PM   #23
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They obv changed his name because lots of people thought it was offensive.
Any thoughts on his extradition to Japan?
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Old 01-07-2011, 12:34 PM   #24
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Re: Public service announcement Kagome Kagome is ihatejuice

Kagome, Kagome, the shark in the cage,
when will you come out?
In the evening of happy hour,
the fish and donkey slipped.
Who's behind your screen name now?
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Old 01-07-2011, 12:41 PM   #25
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Any thoughts on his extradition to Japan?
Anyone can change their location to whatever whenever:



(lol at the fact that FTP made me put half of my last name under my first name. The world is a cruel cruel place for people with hyphenated last names .)

I don't really think that that's such a bad thing in general, and the only solution I can think of would be to force people to provide ID/utility bill/whatever whenever they set up an account or change their loc, which seems totally not worth it. In the very specific case when FTP has just changed someone's name, it's pretty lame to also change locations, but that just seems like such a specific policy for such a rare situation that usually amounts to nothing, so I just don't care.

Obviously IHJ is a huge douche for changing his loc. There's no way he just randomly decided to change his loc right after his SN change because he just likes Japan or whatever he said. He wanted to look like some random fish as best he could in spite of the e-mail. Obviously the guy was already a huge douche for choosing a douchey screen name to piss people off.

I wish people weren't so easily offended so sites didn't have to make screen name changes in spots like this. But, whatever, people are easily offended.

The correct thing for FTP to do was to make him change his screen name to something like FormerlyIHJ or IHJNewSN or whatever. That just seems really really obvious. They could even be super cool and give the guy an avatar that makes it clear. They shouldn't be rewarding people who make douchy screen names by letting them have a new semi-anonymous SN of their choosing.

But, I mean, the fact that they apparently sent out e-mails to affected players (this actually happened, right?) shows that they at least get that there's a problem here that's worth solving. I don't *think* that Stars even does that. It's obviously insufficient because it puts the onus on the players to read the e-mail, remember what they read, etc and because the e-mail only goes out to people who've played against him, whereas obviously people (especially HS HU limit players) have reputations with people that they've never played. But at least they're showing that they recognize the problem, and so maybe after this screw up, they'll get it right.
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