Ok I fell for your level emerson. But you do realise that this type of "collusion" goes on in every single hand online (I have no clue about live). Everybody 3-bets preflop to force out blinds. Everybody raises and 3-bets postflop to force out players with outs.

The play is not suspect at all. Smart players cooperate at the table as do fish (schooling mainly).

Anyone?

Your question must be a level. Let me rephrase it so you can see what you are asking.

Assume you have put in a lot of bets against an opponent whose hand has you beat the entire time. Now name your hand and deny being a spraytard.

That is ******ed. Anytime you put in a ton of bets with a hand that is clearly beat you can be accused of spewing. Your question is flawed in it's own perfection because there are no correct answers.

I know exactly what I am asking. The question is not a level, and I am quite surprised that you think it is. This question is one that any good player asks himself during any hand given (a) his holding, (b) the opponent, (c) the action and (d) the board.

There are many many many situations that meet the above criteria. The hand in question is not one of them.
Incorrect. There is always a best way to play a hand given (a)-(d) above.


Ask yourself this.....If you are CO, can you have a hand here that doesn't beat AK? If so, what, how and why?

9handed
1 limp, CO raises, SB calls, we call BB with AJo, limper calls.

Flop AJTr

SB bets, we raise, fold, fold, SB 3bets, we call.

Turn: 4r

SB bets, we raise, SB calls.

river: 3

SB checks, we bet, SB calls.

SB shows AA. We are not a spraytard.

Bob, I don't know why everyone is having trouble saying that you are correct here. CO played poorly. He has to put DD specifically on having a weaker ace than him for his play to make any sense. And this is only one of many possible hands. Post flop, this is essentially heads up poker and nobody is folding a pair on a board without an ace, especially a paired board.

There are no draws on this flop. If DD is raising this flop and then calling the 3 bet, he mostly has a hand that he plans to take to showdown unimproved. CO is throwing good money after bad. Is DD going to showdown unimproved with any ace high? Is he folding any pair? This is nuts... at least up through the turn.

I don't really like the check raise on the river. Just call and celebrate if our lucky suck out is good. Is DD calling the checkraise with something like A7 or 66?

I hope this thread gets put out of its misery soon... soooo, uhh, results?

This is the worst thread ive ever read in my 5 years at 2+2 but if I were the CO I could easily have kq and kj and k10 and 10-9. I'm not sure why you are giving Chris so much credit here, he 3 bet the any 2 open and raised the dry flop after the co capped pre which basicly means nothing.

Agree with the last two posts ^^. I had KTo, I'm fine with my play.

-DeathDonkey

dd, u called the river ya?

Yes, wanted to fold, said something like "wow you post in the CO and just get AA just like that?" and then called and was surprised to see AJ.

-DeathDonkey

Guy just returns from the crapper and posts, I fold. Who wants to touch those chips? Folding's +EV even if you have AA just like that.

So, did you comment about him having aces because they simply are aces or because you figured it is the only hand that would get played this way by CO given your line?

Mostly the latter, everything he did was just super strong and I had the King, I guess he could have had AK in my mind but they are the same hand so I just said aces cuz yeah they are aces.

-DeathDonkey

I really dont understand why to play this way either