when you don't have a made hand yet you sometimes have what is called a draw. that is what i am giving him here.
dave

you act like my question is silly but it's actually not an easy range calculation at all.

there are (9 choose 2) = 36 possible spade draws that do not contain an A or K.
there is also, specifically 56 and 53 for flopped oesd, another 32 combos
we can add in some more for gutters, and for T9 if you think he'd raise those on the flop -- I can't tell if you do.
Now against these combos is everything that actually has a pair, a K, or an A. I guess maybe you don't think he's betting the A/K hands on the river? But even then there are just an absolute ton of pair or better hands.....

i am sorry i did not mean to minamalize you question, however all i was saying is that i think that all of the draws, of which i think he would raise a huge amount of incluing T9 type hands conpirse more than 1/7th of his range, maybe as much as 40%, just bc i think the flop raise does tend toward draws and made hands, where as call call call or call raise would be more made hand heavy, if that makes sense.

does that clarify it a bit or am i missing something?
dave

so you are saying that he almost always raises draws on the flop, but only sometimes (maybe 50%) would raise a pair or better on the flop. so you are discounting his pair range bc of the flop raise? and likewise you are discounting A hi, maybe K hi too?

thanks,
gm

EDIT: oh and also, plz confirm or refute: You think he is not betting K hi on the river right? How about A hi?

i think the main argument on the river is that his range becomes a lot more polarized because he wont bet A or K high on the end. So he either has a semi strong hand or a missed draw.

what dont u get? limit is for mindless robots

if he were a true hero he would value bet A hi and induce bluff with K hi.

but he is no hero.

I think i almost never lose to A hi or K hi here i think he has a bluff or a decent made hand. under other circumstances i could see losing to a good A hi, but as is i think i never lose to better hi card hands.

Dave hints at a very good point here because there are certain boards where it is good to take control and check behind on the river with an A-hi type hand, and this is certainly one of them This makes it easier to assess villain's range on the river. There are a couple draws, and most of them blanked. From the villain's perspective there isn't much value in betting since Dave Mac's range (given that he called the flop raise and the turn bet) is mostly A-hi and 1-pair hands. Since what I alluded to earlier holds on boards like this, he'll likely check behind with A or K-hi. Thus, from Dave's perspective either he raised a draw and blanked, or is betting 1-pair or better for value.