forgot to count the bb in villain's stack, so his M is closer to 8 than to 7 actually. so it closer than i thought but its still +ev. i'll do the math out in a second..

vs a loose range (i.e. he actually knows i'm shoving almost ATC and is calling with any pair, any ace, any broadway) its only marginally +cEV

but vs a more realistic range he might call with.. e.g. { 55+, A5s+, KJs+, A7o+, KQo } he's folding 84.9% of the time where I'm winning t300, and calling 15.1% of the time to race where I have 29.0% equity, risking t2261 to win t2461.

0.849(+300) + 0.151(0.290)(+2461) + 0.151(0.710)(-2261) =
254.7 + 107.8 - 242.4 =
+120.1


I mean its more marginal than I originally thought because I misread his stack by a BB, but I'm still winning 120 chips on average so to say it's a losing play is incorrect I think. Also, it's a turbo and I don't have very many BBs, in a situation where I can rarely open raise* due to my stack size and a lot of 3bet stacks behind (i.e. my edge with 13bb over the field w/ this structure probably isn't very large)

edit: meant *raise/fold

alright I'm done with this, if after reading my thought process most people still think it's a poor play I won't argue and I'll fold these sort of spots. after all, i am playing with money invested to me

let me know what you guys think, thanks

gotcha. thx for backin it up!

I have no problems with it, with a turbo structure, you needed the chips in order to try to run up the chip stack to be a contender, folding there is not ideal.

cool

ready to do this ftops. love shootouts

I certainly don't want you to change how you play but his range is certainly broader than that if he's a decent player. Certainly A2+, 22+, K8+ etc...

Yeah maybe. I was just moved to the table though and I don't think the majority of people are calling a 12bb shove quite that wide in a vacuum

was planning to c/r turn, sucks that he prob would've got it in OTF


Full Tilt Poker FTOPS Event #19 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t30/t60 Blinds - 8 players
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MP1: t1330 22.17 BBs
MP2: t2530 42.17 BBs
CO: t3075 51.25 BBs
BTN: t2500 41.67 BBs
SB: t4645 77.42 BBs
Hero (BB): t2565 42.75 BBs
UTG: t4670 77.83 BBs
UTG+1: t5685 94.75 BBs

Pre Flop: (t90) Hero is BB with 2 2
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t180, 5 folds, Hero calls t120

Flop: (t390) 3 2 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets t240, Hero calls t240

Turn: (t870) T (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks

River: (t870) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets t575, UTG+1 calls t575

Final Pot: t2020
Hero shows 2 2 (three of a kind, Twos)
UTG+1 mucks A 8
Hero wins t2020

Full Tilt Poker FTOPS Event #19 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds - 6 players
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BB: t4225 42.25 BBs
UTG: t5170 51.70 BBs
MP: t2215 22.15 BBs
Hero (CO): t2315 23.15 BBs
BTN: t7160 71.60 BBs
SB: t5915 59.15 BBs

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is CO with 6 6
2 folds, Hero raises to t250, 1 fold, SB calls t200, BB calls t150

Flop: (t750) 5 7 9 (3 players)
SB bets t400, BB folds, Hero folds

Final Pot: t750
SB wins t750

Full Tilt Poker FTOPS Event #19 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds - 6 players
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SB: t3975 39.75 BBs
BB: t5170 51.70 BBs
UTG: t2215 22.15 BBs
Hero (MP): t2065 20.65 BBs
CO: t7160 71.60 BBs
BTN: t6415 64.15 BBs

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is MP with 9 9
1 fold, Hero raises to t250, 3 folds, BB raises to t4000, Hero calls t1815 all in

Flop: (t4180) 8 9 2

Turn: (t4180) 7

River: (t4180) A

Final Pot: t4180
BB shows A Q (a pair of Aces)
Hero shows 9 9 (three of a kind, Nines)
Hero wins t4180

meh..not sure I can fold vs a squeeze with the dead money in and my image. maybe open fold pre


Full Tilt Poker FTOPS Event #19 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t60/t120 Blinds - 6 players
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BTN: t4785 39.88 BBs
SB: t3115 25.96 BBs
BB: t2385 19.88 BBs
Hero (UTG): t3880 32.33 BBs
MP: t5910 49.25 BBs
CO: t6925 57.71 BBs

Pre Flop: (t180) Hero is UTG with 6 6
Hero raises to t300, 2 folds, BTN calls t300, 1 fold, BB raises to t2385 all in, Hero raises to t3880 all in, 1 fold

Flop: (t5130) A 5 5

Turn: (t5130) 3

River: (t5130) 4

Final Pot: t5130
BB shows K K (two pair, Kings and Fives)
Hero shows 6 6 (two pair, Sixes and Fives)
BB wins t5130

too much gambol for a shootout imo. i would fold, almost all his range is flipping you or crushing you. small pairs for 180 chips for him has the possibilty fo being a set mine.

Ehh it's a marginal fold (roughly breakeven EV) after doing the math. Sorry, messed up a little

yeah i realize that but i'm risking 2085 to win 3045 so I'd only need 40% equity to call. still, not worth it

i'll try to err on the nitty side in marginal spots more

Yeah honestly I'm not sure if it's a 'leak' or not but you are losing all your tourneys with marginal pocket pairs especially calling an all-in with it. It may be quote on quote standard in daily donkaments where variance will play out with volume but it's the FTOPS and passing up marginal +ev spots is not so bad either giving your resume. Just my two cents, but I'm a terrible player so I wouldn't know. Good luck and ship one soon!

btw busted out shoving 1300 chips with AJ in CO at 60/120. BTN snap reshipped with 88 and held obv

I def see what you're saying, and I do think it would be more worth it to pass up some marginal spots, especially like the hand before where I can afford to. That said, I think I've run pretty horrible with them.

I just think that the 66 hand should be played like a sit-n-go strategy and open fold would be the best play here since you're only getting called by a dominated pair or a flip at best. You obviously play a very high variance style and capatilize even with a small edge but just very unlucky.

Yeah that range you posted for the 74o hand is a lot tighter than what people are calling bvb nowadays. Also think some of these middle pair hands are fine/std/unlucky, but definitely think some of them are spew. ( Ex. The 66 hand in the 535 shootout). I don't know if it is right to say all of this criticism, but those are my thoughts. Definitely not doubting your talents, I play hsmtts myself and understand the variance. The thing that I think bothers me the most is not the ingame calls/folds/shoves, it was the mental error in that shootout you busted 7 from the money calling the allin shortstacked with 76dd.

Gl the rest of the way still lots of tourneys to go

quit the hate, 74 shove is 100% standard and shoving almost atc bvb w 10bb is an unexploited play. 66 is very marginal, only cos you are flipping or worse, i agree more often flipping + dead money, but i think its still a fold, maybe even a fold pre. From what i have seen mostly standard nothing too crazy. Keep it up.

76dd hand
there were like 90 left in the tourny and something like 150 got paid, so I assumed I was ITM already. esp. after a poster ITT said I was. wouldn't have made the call if I knew the shootout rules on FTP are ******ed. sorry

74o hand
even vs the loosest standard calling range it's a marginally +EV shove. i still think that his calling range excludes the lowest aces and kings at least

66 hand
yeah i agree i shouldve folded, but I don't think it's exactly "spew". my call loses like t20 on the long term, so its more like a high variance call that's roughly BE. i thought it was a more +EV play in game but its def more marginal than i thought

i lost the notepad file i put the hh's on, but busted the super turbo pretty quick in two flips (obv). shove AQ<88 vs shorty and shove 44<AK for my 6.5bb left

300r is beyond ridiculous in amount of action people are giving in rebuy period, just need a hand

first good hand in an unreal good table


Full Tilt Poker FTOPS Event #22 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 6 players
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SB: t3025 60.50 BBs
BB: t830 16.60 BBs
UTG: t1620 32.40 BBs
MP: t21625 432.50 BBs
CO: t15855 317.10 BBs
Hero (BTN): t2125 42.50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is BTN with Q A
1 fold, MP raises to t100, CO calls t100, Hero raises to t2125 all in, 3 folds, CO calls t2025

Flop: (t4425) 2 5 7

Turn: (t4425) 2

River: (t4425) 9

Final Pot: t4425
CO shows J J (two pair, Jacks and Twos)
Hero shows Q A (a pair of Twos)
CO wins t4425