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01-23-2012 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by EYE GEE TEE
it was very clear that the schedule had been changed, demetri then wishes igt good luck. /thread
LOL your buddy has just made you and him look even more dumb.......


I posted that after you said you may not play the package if it does not sell out,LOL

You had not mentioned any changes ,hence why I warned you should let investors know that you will not play the package if it does not sell out in the op....

LOL,nice try
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01-23-2012 , 07:12 PM
It is not my job anyway to read the WHOLE thread every day ,LOL

Let me spell this out for you ,I bought into a package that was confirmed in your thread where you sold the package.I shipped the money ,deal done dude unless you make it clear to me that it will be changed and I agree on it!!!

Now looking at it you wrote if 2 investors ok it then it is ok ,LOL

Is that how things work now ,the minority (2 people) agree on something and it is good enough ,LOL.........What world are you living in ?
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01-23-2012 , 07:13 PM
good accusation but not the case, i guess you won or something and i'm supposed to give you a refund... debating the drawbacks of taking the neg feedback to prove a point and playing the package anyways... or cancelling the package outright because of this gross angle. you are an interesting human demetri
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01-23-2012 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by EYE GEE TEE
good accusation but not the case, i guess you won or something and i'm supposed to give you a refund... debating the drawbacks of taking the neg feedback to prove a point and playing the package anyways... or cancelling the package outright because of this gross angle. you are an interesting human demetri
The scary thing about what you have just wrote above is ,you see no wrong in anything you have done or said .....and you think this is a big massive angle by me and i'm just desperate to get my money back ,LOL

I say scary because i'm sure this won't be the last package you sell and i'm sure this won't be the last problem you have ,hence your last comment

Good luck
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01-23-2012 , 07:18 PM
you too bud
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01-23-2012 , 07:37 PM
I feel somewhat sorry for IGT.

His communication isn't the best mainly cuz his post are written what appears to be pretty quickly but I feel in this instance he just wanted to get his package going he posted in the initial thread would investors agree to getting the package on, a bunch replied and said yes. He posted in this thread the revised package.

It'd have been a whole lot clearer if he'd written down which number events were as some buy in's have crossed and people have thought he has missed events.

Accusing demetri of being friends with the mod is a silly mistake and you should know better.

I feel sorry for you cuz you have a bunch of events to come and this is a huge de-rail and obviously a pretty unwelcome distraction, you have bought a bunch of it on yourself.

Cliffs:

You could have handled it better but still tried to.

Demetri is being pretty harsh and not helping when obviously I imagine you are super excited about the tcoop and have every chance of doing well.

I know neither person just my 2c as an investor and someone who has their own package up at the mo in which IGT invested.

Hope it's sorted out and we carry on.
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01-23-2012 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by xdanielx
I feel somewhat sorry for IGT.

His communication isn't the best mainly cuz his post are written what appears to be pretty quickly but I feel in this instance he just wanted to get his package going he posted in the initial thread would investors agree to getting the package on, a bunch replied and said yes. He posted in this thread the revised package.

It'd have been a whole lot clearer if he'd written down which number events were as some buy in's have crossed and people have thought he has missed events.

Accusing demetri of being friends with the mod is a silly mistake and you should know better.

I feel sorry for you cuz you have a bunch of events to come and this is a huge de-rail and obviously a pretty unwelcome distraction, you have bought a bunch of it on yourself.

Cliffs:

You could have handled it better but still tried to.

Demetri is being pretty harsh and not helping when obviously I imagine you are super excited about the tcoop and have every chance of doing well.

I know neither person just my 2c as an investor and someone who has their own package up at the mo in which IGT invested.

Hope it's sorted out and we carry on.
Please read ALL my posts on this matter ,I started of very polite and made it VERY clear i was not looking for a refund ..............but he replied in a rude manor ,he did not agree he had done anything wrong and went on to be rude about it

Please don't forget what the first issue is here ,me flagging someone for playing different games to what I bought into ..........you really don't see how bad that is ?

If that becomes the norm in the MP ,the MP will not last the next few months......

But I was willing to talk to him about it and work something out ,I made that clear in many posts .......but him being him got on his high horse and went into one telling me how wrong I am and it is all a angle etc etc

Sorry to say this is not harsh from me at all
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01-23-2012 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by xdanielx
I feel somewhat sorry for IGT.

His communication isn't the best mainly cuz his post are written what appears to be pretty quickly but I feel in this instance he just wanted to get his package going he posted in the initial thread would investors agree to getting the package on, a bunch replied and said yes. He posted in this thread the revised package.

It'd have been a whole lot clearer if he'd written down which number events were as some buy in's have crossed and people have thought he has missed events.

Accusing demetri of being friends with the mod is a silly mistake and you should know better.

I feel sorry for you cuz you have a bunch of events to come and this is a huge de-rail and obviously a pretty unwelcome distraction, you have bought a bunch of it on yourself.

Cliffs:

You could have handled it better but still tried to.

Demetri is being pretty harsh and not helping when obviously I imagine you are super excited about the tcoop and have every chance of doing well.

I know neither person just my 2c as an investor and someone who has their own package up at the mo in which IGT invested.

Hope it's sorted out and we carry on.
i think demetri is pretty adamant about getting his 200 or w/e. so prob not...

agreed with everything you said
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01-23-2012 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by demetri1978
Please don't forget what the first issue is here ,me flagging someone for playing different games to what I bought into ..........you really don't see how bad that is ?
I invested too and I knew. I know you stake a bunch of people but whenever I buy MP action I keep up with the threads and check they are all sold out, see what the seller is saying, check for the rail thread being issued or not as the case is sometimes. Maybe I have more time on my hands or it's something you should do in the future too.

In the stuff I have invested in previously I've had much more frustrating experiences & they haven't descended into this.

In my previous post I said he shouldn't have made the attacks he did on you.

Hope it's all cleared up and you are both happy. GL
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01-23-2012 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by EYE GEE TEE
i think demetri is pretty adamant about getting his 200 or w/e. so prob not...

agreed with everything you said
For once I agree with you

When are you shipping me the money ?
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01-23-2012 , 08:11 PM
lol wow u have a hot head today... u'll get it after the package were to end. ty for investing.

Mod Note: Undeleted this post.

Last edited by D.S.; 01-23-2012 at 08:30 PM.
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01-23-2012 , 08:12 PM
next event is tomorrow 215 turbo everyone! gl
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01-23-2012 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by demetri1978
I say scary because i'm sure this won't be the last package you sell and i'm sure this won't be the last problem you have ,hence your last comment

Good luck
I hope I Grind This is banned from 2p2 or at least the market place for his staking history. I hope David does something to insure he cannot harm other members again.
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01-23-2012 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by xdanielx
I feel somewhat sorry for IGT.

His communication isn't the best mainly cuz his post are written what appears to be pretty quickly but I feel in this instance he just wanted to get his package going he posted in the initial thread would investors agree to getting the package on, a bunch replied and said yes. He posted in this thread the revised package.

It'd have been a whole lot clearer if he'd written down which number events were as some buy in's have crossed and people have thought he has missed events.

.
Here's my original PM to him, all i wanted was some clarification in the thread:

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Originally Posted by D.S.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/16...ckage-1153019/

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...-rail-1155585/

This is a complete mess. It needs to be fixed.

This quote sums things up:

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Originally Posted by demetri1978
To be honest I back people full time,but I have no clue what is going on with this package.

Should we have got money back ?What the hell is he meant to be playing now?I feel for someone who is new to investing,I have backed over 100 guys and have no clue with this one to what is going on.....................
What I want you to do:

1. Clarify, in the rail thread, what you have played so far and where you placed in these tournaments and for how much.

2. Clarify the remaining schedule clearly so everyone knows exactly what's going on. (I know it's in the OP but just reiterate it so everyone is 100% clear.)

3. Explain in the thread why some investors have got money back already but some have got none back. It reads as a percentage of an event not played, but then shouldn't everyone have money back then?

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Originally Posted by HateMonday
this, got some money from you and dont even now any numbers or sth..
that clearly should not happen.

4. Use the rail thread in the proper way from here until the end of the package, in as such update when you finish a tournament with how you did/money won etc and if you're so inclined update it at each break to let people know how you're getting on.

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Originally Posted by HateMonday
no history at all ?
You said you asked mods to change the OP of the first thread, but no change was ever made, did you actually report the post/pm one of us? I don't remember seeing a report.

This person speaks the truth:

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Originally Posted by Dgentlman
+1.


Even though it is my first investment i think that you could share with us a few hands here or some updates about package worth yada yada , to make it a BIT more interesting railing you than just putting the money on your package (which will lead to future investments too if there is a "feeling" of actually being a part of it ).


just my 2 cent.
Please clarify things for your investors and get back to me, cheers.

Darren,
Marketplace Mod.
Now here's his first post on receiving the PM, which is pretty explicitly attacking Demetri in his passive aggressive style, as he has done many times before to people asking legitimate questions instead of just reading what they wrote and then answering any questions raised politely:

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Originally Posted by EYE GEE TEE
hatemonday the money i sent you was from a completely un-related jan22 package. demetri dont worry, no money should be coming to you.... and i appreciate the faith? out of 100 guys and I must be the worst because i've had two days off and played two tournaments.

Sorry it took me two events to post in rail for both, rest assured the thread was going to be updated prior to me playing my next event
tomorrow. not a big deal. gl

This is clearly dumb and not a good way to comply with a perfectly polite and reasonable request from me. The issue escalated from here due to the posters stupidity. Had he simply acted like an adult there would be no issue and this thread would have about 20 less posts.

Clearly to read my PM and then take it as some form of personal attack, as witnessed by his horrible posting afterwards, and then say stuff that isn't true (posts 22, 24) indicate a massive lack of reading comprehension and a temper/immaturity that would worry me if i was an investor.

There's clearly something wrong when crap like this comes out:

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Originally Posted by EYE GEE TEE
not going to be bullied by you demetri more updates coming after the 215
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Originally Posted by EYE GEE TEE
are you serious? i just got a pm from a mod saying that i had to refund demetri because of all this... if this happens i'm cancelling the entire package as it is entirely an angle shoot... and clearly this mod, D.S. is his close friend. anybody else want to chime in? or is this just going to be demetri and a mod stealing money from me.

Mod Note: Wow, this user is all kinds of fail. In the interests of full disclosure, my PM is below. Clearly he's learned nothing from the WSOP thread debacle.
This sums things up:

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Originally Posted by EYE GEE TEE
but a refund? i mean we can talk... get on skype or something... what can we possibly do in pms? sorry you werent around for the day of the first event... i assumed i was cancelling package... then 2 MP regs said play... so i figured that the investor pool wanted this as well (wrong of me i guess) so i put together a new schedule and started playing... if you would please read and trust me and ask for references or something you'd realize i'm not trying to get over on you or anything stupid like that. i merely wanted to play tcoop and follow through with my package for the investors... i do not want to be punished for doing so either.. but it seems like i am going to be anyways. sorry i handled this poorly, i wont be playing the rest of the package due to this disagreement with demetri and that i changed the package. sorry all...
Demetri is well aware you are not trying to angle shoot him, he didn't agree to the new package at any point though and your actions today have scared him off agreeing to the new package. It's an accidental mistake made by you, why should an investor suffer? This should never have happened, agreed. That it did is 99% the OP's fault and 1% my fault for letting this issue run and not bashing the two posters heads together harder to get a resolution yet.
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01-23-2012 , 08:39 PM
this is all insane, just refunding investors money... not today though getting ready to play. hope you guys are happy.
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01-23-2012 , 08:41 PM
This mess,that's my luck for investing for the first time.
So what's going on ?

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Originally Posted by EYE GEE TEE
this is all insane, just refunding investors money... not today though getting ready to play. hope you guys are happy.
ok , saw this right after i posted, not really sure anybody is happy out of what's happened here , 2 late for me to dig into everything now.
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01-23-2012 , 08:49 PM
cliffs: demetri freerolls igt and gets his tcoop package cancelled

mod picks apart every convo and ressurects deleted posts

demetri is angry that the original schedule isnt being played even though an addendum was made that investors agreed to

mod is demanding i give demetri refund and set things straight

some wondered where updates were, and...

"Busted the first event 134 ko after playing like a monster the entire time, took 1/3 of good reg stack w/o showdown early... easy c/c spot and was at 11k by the first break. Lost squeeze flip with aqss against a weird r/c by 55 or something from mp, i was hijack with 15ishbb and a great spot against an aggro fish down heaps and another 40~/5 fish. Was for about 35kish. "

"Ty, sadly nothing is tomorrow on revised sched however I sm debating giving it back to package and late reg the 3x turbo to make 7 units doable since I oNly used 1 bullet in the 2x.... feedback? Otherwise I'm just own riming it and jumping in at the adding with 20 bb. "

yet people wondered why i'm not playing on this day?



thank you all for investing, not going to continue on under this scrutiny by such a ridiculous attack
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01-23-2012 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by EYE GEE TEE
cliffs: demetri freerolls igt and gets his tcoop package cancelled

mod picks apart every convo and ressurects deleted posts

demetri is angry that the original schedule isnt being played even though an addendum was made that investors agreed to

mod is demanding i give demetri refund and set things straight

now you all don't have action in my tcoop this year

thank you all for investing, not going to continue on under this scrutiny by such a ridiculous attack
Cliffs:

IGRINDTHIS still doesn't get when he is in the wrong


Maybe contact Pokerstars and get your name changed to IDONTGETTHIS

Last edited by demetri1978; 01-23-2012 at 08:58 PM. Reason: Got love how he says "Demetri gets the package cancelled",lol maybe he will sleep better now
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01-24-2012 , 02:24 AM
demetri quote

Please don't forget what the first issue is here ,me flagging someone for playing different games to what I bought into



why would it matter that im playing different games? esp if i said in thread i was playing a different sched and some stuff on my dime. also its not like you own the rights to my stars account when you buy in to my package... do you want my 15 180 action too? because i'll be playing those during some of the tcoops for sure

this all started because one guy doesnt bother to keep up with the package, and another investor was confused as to why he recieved money(because he bought into another package where a transfer took place and he didnt realize it)

let it be noted that i did nothing to anybody that affected them negatively, merely treated one hostile investor as he was treating me and i apologize to the other investors that my thread was derailed because of it

ALSO LOOK AT THE FIRST 13 POSTS. I POSTED HISTORY, AND # OF BULLETS ETC AND MULTIPLE INVESTORS ACCUSED ME OF NOT POSTING ANY KIND OF HISTORY... CLEARLY I DID

Last edited by EYE GEE TEE; 01-24-2012 at 02:39 AM.
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01-24-2012 , 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by EYE GEE TEE
134ko
82 big ante 2x chance
215
82 2x chance
55 ante up
109
215
700 main

1742 same mu total= 2088.78

1% 20.88

now there are no hyper or 3x turbos in the package... less rebuys to account for and should make the package go smoother anyhow.

1% is 50.38 from last package so converted the new totals are

jkru 2.412
dgent 2.412
romdom 2.412
hatemonday 2.412
portly 4.826
asquith31 4.826
daz 4.826
nation 12.065
panda 12.065
demetri 12.065
stf up 12.065
ignat 7.236

making for 78.387 yours 21.622 mine

This is no sort of angle shoot for the extra 3% edge on busting event 1... this is my best attempt at making a schedule that ends up being around 75/25. I hope you guys are pleased.

Busted the first event 134 ko after playing like a monster the entire time, took 1/3 of good reg stack w/o showdown early... easy c/c spot and was at 11k by the first break. Lost squeeze flip with aqss against a weird r/c by 55 or something from mp, i was hijack with 15ishbb and a great spot against an aggro fish down heaps and another 40~/5 fish. Was for about 35kish.
first update at bottom

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Originally Posted by EYE GEE TEE
we can just give me a smaller amount in the new package or w/e. thank you for noticing!

sorry about that dan, i now have 19.21 percent of package... which is fine with me

dan 2.412
jkru 2.412
dgent 2.412
romdom 2.412
hatemonday 2.412
portly 4.826
asquith31 4.826
daz 4.826
nation 12.065
panda 12.065
demetri 12.065
stf up 12.065
ignat 7.236
%update

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Originally Posted by EYE GEE TEE
Ty, sadly nothing is tomorrow on revised sched however I sm debating giving it back to package and late reg the 3x turbo to make 7 units doable since I oNly used 1 bullet in the 2x.... feedback? Otherwise I'm just own riming it and jumping in at the adding with 20 bb.
update and bullet totals also the adding of tournaments to be fair to investors... also typed from bed on kindle so spellcheck is ridic bad

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Originally Posted by EYE GEE TEE
in for 4 and this is confirmed on package, 60ish k after addon
update bullet info

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Originally Posted by EYE GEE TEE
the next 215 on the revised package is not for the hyper tomorrow...its for the next 215 non hyper turbo. selling a package for it
update on the next tournament... i have a day off... then this next quote.......

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Originally Posted by HateMonday
no history at all ?
clearly there is

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Originally Posted by Dgentlman
+1.


Even though it is my first investment i think that you could share with us a few hands here or some updates about package worth yada yada , to make it a BIT more interesting railing you than just putting the money on your package (which will lead to future investments too if there is a "feeling" of actually being a part of it ).


just my 2 cent.
umm... it was only two tournaments give me some time to have more than two bust hands. sorry there were none posted yet.

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Originally Posted by HateMonday
this, got some money from you and dont even now any numbers or sth..
that money was clearly from another package, there were no refunds mid package


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Originally Posted by demetri1978
To be honest I back people full time,but I have no clue what is going on with this package.

Should we have got money back ?What the hell is he meant to be playing now?I feel for someone who is new to investing,I have backed over 100 guys and have no clue with this one to what is going on.....................
this came out of nowhere and has bullying/high horse tones...



SO YOU TELL ME MP, HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO REACT TO THIS KIND OF GANG MENTALITY THAT LEADS INEVITABLY TO THE PACKAGE NOT BEING PLAYED....? WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO WHEN THIS HAPPENS...?
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01-24-2012 , 02:46 AM
i sure hope one of the people ive invested in bink...

because clearly i wont be able to play now or ever for the mp because of this... i hope at least one of you sees that i was backed into a corner of sorts and just handled it poorly...i am admittedly really bad at posting/internet... i'm in over my head with how many people attacked me in this thread so i'm best off just leaving it alone
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01-24-2012 , 03:21 AM
just give dmitri his money back and ill buy the rest, what is it like $200? np, i got u.

everybody stfu now plz?

especially u IGT.

I also think the mod acted slightly inappropiately in this thread, maybe wrong i've just never seen one so aggressive in a staking thread over something easily solved by involved parties.
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01-24-2012 , 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by smooth101
I hope I Grind This is banned from 2p2 or at least the market place for his staking history. I hope David does something to insure he cannot harm other members again.
lol, what harm was done?
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01-24-2012 , 03:35 AM
ok romdom you now have 14.477% and the package goes on as continued, i'd appreciate if demetri and d.s. would stay out of the thread as well as smooth101 so as to not derail it any further. I believe this would be more than fair as i am cooperating by sending him his money back and allowing for investor romdom to take it.

i agree with romdom, ive never seen a mod so agressive in a thread that could've been easily solved by me and demetri.... neither of us took the high road though so kudos to you for handling it the way you did. Albeit a little non-neutral.

action continues tomorrow with the 215 turbo.

refunds/cashes so far 224.67

events to be played still
215
82 2x chance
55 ante up
109
215
700 main

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01-24-2012 , 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by EYE GEE TEE
how would i have gotten all of the investors to agree? when are you guys ever online at the same time Mod Note: The PM function is an amazing thing, just a thought.... i did what i could to get the package going demetri, if thats not enough i suggest you dont buy a piece of me in the future... fwiw if your reading comprehension costs you money drinks are on me. i did absolutely all i could scrambling and math and creativity wise to get the package to actually run on what we had... i had multiples not even send.
Is it commonplace for mods to interject snarky comments into peoples posts in their own rail threads now?

You realize that u could have used said pm function in this spot rather than completely undermining someones post in a thread thats important to them, right boss?
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