FTR, regarding the "thousands of dollars" i allegely owe to shamrock and/or xaston.

I sent Shamrock this email after i posted about the matter (in post 229)

This is the response i recieved

So this guy is here in the thread, claiming I owe him money, both himself and with IDY as a proxy yet:

1. He has never contacted me in any way whatsoever about the alleged debt (i have not spoken to or corresponded with either he or xaston since they left the house)

2. He refuses to communicate with me about the alleged debt.

3. He has not posted any evidence, documentation or details about what the alleged debt is.

which i guess brings us back to niftymatts post:


Certainly, i think its appropriate for ppl to post itt if they feel they are owed a debt. However, it seems unreasonable that they should be able to assert this with no foundation whatsoever (the same as it seems unreasonable that they would be permitted to assert that there were 11 people renting rooms in the house with no foundation whatsoever)

The issue with the last 650 owed isnt me wanting to clear my name. Its me wanting to get things like my AIM, FB, phone number, and directions on how to harrass my brother (along with where he works) removed. The material was inappropriate to begin with. It remains inappropriate.

After i paid ben and hoop, and before we realized that I had skipped over the last half of L1veforever's money, it was clear that neither the mods or the OP had any intention of removing this information. So im holding back the only thing that i can to get it removed.

Lets be honest... you dont believe for one second that this information is going to be removed if i send L1veforever the last $650. Neither do I. And in a thread that is literally lie after lie after lie after low class personal insult after lie after lie after threat, ive got no reason to trust anyone who tells me otherwise.

One post that deserves its own response.

The image includes the un-redacted myspace page of a lady whos only connection to this "scam" was that I once, months ago, expressed my support for her on my facebook page.

Her neighbor (a lunatic) snuck onto her property and shot her prize-winning akita to death. The picture posted (hopefully theres a mod around with a little bit of class that will take it down), depicts the bullet riddled corpse of the animal.

Posting something like this is beyond low-class and beyond scummy. Im not sure wether it is intended as a threat or as a pathetic attempt at humor. That it has been allowed to stay up for months is proof-postivie that this thread has been totally off the rails from jump street.

go get a little sleep man.....jimmity christmas.

Sadly, youre stuck with me until they ban me. Im lucky to string together 90 good minutes of sleep at a time this time of year. if its any consolation, im sure it wont be long (actually surprised it hasnt happened already... until augskb responded to my post, i was wondering if they did that thing to my account where only you and oranges+ can see your post).

haha im not "stuck" with u, i dont mind this, i enjoy reading it and hearing ur side and find it sad that people wont come back to defend their accusations and here u r alas and everyone POOF.....anyways tho

I have read some of this stuff from time to time.

I think that a mod should try to clear this situation up or delete the personal info that Senjitsu wants removed.

He is here, fighting to clear his name and his accusers are nowhere to be seen.

Makes the accusation seem suspect to me.

It will just turn into a he said she said. The whole experience sucked (being blindsided by an eviction notice); I don't feel like fighting tooth and nail for 1k.

If you still owe people money, then you better pay them back regardless of the reason you are holding out because it gives you no leverage to any of your arguments, and I and others won't believe a word you say.


Also if Hoop seems to know everything that went down, why didn't he come on here and say the truth? That itself is inexcusable.

He can still come on now and confirm information, but it sounds like everyone was handled poorly.

The reason shamrock and I left with no notice is because our land lord told us we were being evicted, he told us that he had told you that we were being evicted (and you never bothered to mention it to us), he told us that you were not paying the rent, that we were giving to you. That is why we didn't feel the need to to tell you we were leaving, and why we are under the impression that you owe us money (the rent we paid you, that apparently did not get to our landlord).

Says the guy going to jail.

My advice: Soap-on-a-rope.

You fellas have a lot of growing up to do, I'll tell you that. Ridiculous. Completely ridiculous. Can you believe these characters? Way out of line. Way out of line. Have a good mind to go to the warden about this. You know what hurts the most is the... the lack of respect. You know? That's what hurts the most. Except for the... Except for the other thing. That hurts the most. But the lack of respect hurts the second most.

Funny, you seemed fine with "he said, she said" when you were getting your she said but i wasn't around to have my he said.

hm two jews fighting over money get the popcorn imo.

I admit that rent was late when you guys left. As i've said before i was having financial issues that made me unable to pay my share in a timely fashion. That said, on the one occassion that you paid rent and on the two occassions that groves did, the money you paid went to the landlord either immediately or within a few days if you paid me online. For example, in april even though i hadnt sent in my share i paid your money (1250) on the 6th and groves and hoops' on the 10th (like 2k). The LL accepted these payments, which meant that if he wanted to preserve his right to evict he had to start the proccess over again (which is why we were getting an eviction notice every week because every time i gave him money, it nullified the previous eviction notice and he had to start over to preserve his right to evict if i didnt pay).

I was just overall biting off more than I could chew when you added in the empty rooms, the utilities, and the deposits. Here is what I should have done (and im pretty ashamed to say that all the problems with the LL would have been avoided if i had):

1. I should have told you and groves flat out that I couldnt front your security deposits. I felt roped into that whole deal, and to be honest, i was never really comfortable with it (and no, im not saying you guys did the roping and no, im not going to point any fingers)

2. I should have kicked out PC and gone gang-busters to try to rent his room

3. I should have put hoop on the same utils plan you guys were on, a flat 20% of everything not just electricity.

I didnt. I tried to handle it myself out of pride and because i was ashamed to be in such a tight spot. And obv i made a total gong show out of it.

so yeah, i see where youre copming from.

That said, Jamie, here is how i think a reasonable adult would have handled your situation with me (and just ftr youre in a pretty bad spot when I have to tell you how a reasonable adult handles things). He would have come to me and said

that isnt what you did. You left without saying a word, you never contacted me about the money that you now claim i owe you. The first time i ever heard about it was when you posted about it itt. Does that sound like a reasonable way to handle things?

That said, though, i want to make sure i comprehend your position fully. You are saying that even though you lived in the house until april 16th, that you shouldnt have to pay for _any_ of april? How about march? Should you get free rent for that month too?

i think you may have quoted the wrong post.

I really wish he would. When i had the AIM convo with him (and another afterward about the accounting stuff) he assured me that at the very least that he would come on and cop to his "error" about the numbers and various other stuff. He now has me blocked on AIM though, so im not sure its going to happen. These are the last convos i had with him...

right now, im not going to speculate on hoops motives. I do have some thoughts based on things hes told me, things ive heard, and info itt, but im interested to hear what, if anything, he says about the situation. I will say this much -- i dont believe for a second that he was so high he couldnt count to six and thats why he gave ben the wrong numbers. Hoop is _always_ high. He plays poker with his mouse in one hand and hit one hitter in the other. If he lost the ability to count to six when he was stoned he wouldnt be nearly as successful a poker player as he is.

sigh im such a fail lol

Like so many threads on this forum, I am reminded of the Twilight Zone episode "The Monsters are Due on Maple St."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvmyObRoH9c

lol

So your post is "Here is how I was irresponsible and not a reasonable adult, here is what I should have done, and this is how I wish you responded to me being irresponsible and unreasonable."

Anyways from what I was told by both Kara and the landlord, you did nothing but lie and make new excuses and promises, so rather than go to you and get some more of them, I just took the information I already had and found myself a new place to live before we got evicted for you being a bad money manager.

It is clear that you do not think you owe me money or want to accept that you do, so by all means don't, I have plenty and the sum we're discussing here isn't very big.

im not sure i get the connection

This PA thing you and groves have going is hilarious.

"well you really do owe me money, but you say you dont, and im not going to argue with you. But im still saying you do." whatever

also big describes size. Large describes quantity.

You realize coming on here and acting like a douche to everyone isn't helping anyone's opinion of you right?

I know the gist of everyone's situation from the thread. You should probably pay these people back or at least some portion of the money for the trouble you caused them and time that you wasted.

You're admittedly in the wrong so pointing a finger and saying "well, I messed up but you did this" doesn't really hold any traction. Honestly, you're lucky you're dealing with a bunch of people who don't care all that much, because if it was my money, I'd break parts of your body on pure principle.

Oh, i assure you sir, I am not acting.

Just because im wrong doesnt make him right. I really dont see how the fact that I could have handled the situation better entitle4s him to free rent, or to break the terms of the contract (which, incidnetally, were already very favorable to him)

The contract was the contract, and it didnt specify that they got to leave in the middle of the month and get their money back for that month. Their discussions about the lease with a third party, while great rumor-mongering material, dont change that.


So yeah, they arent getting anything... ftr here are the cliffs notes of the whole sitution.

1. Xaston and groves pay april rent.

2. Both leave mid-april with no notice at all. Neither ever says anything to me about wanting or thinking they deserve a refund.

3. Both see this thread months later and decide theyre going to post in it saying i owe them money. Now, both want their money back not just for the part of april that they didnt stay, but the part of april that they were living in the house. It is unclear wether they want march for free as well

4. Both want me to pay for their share of the utilities that month, which they are getting since they ran off and left me holding the bag for all the bills. I also paid to have their rooms cleaned after they left, and for the $130 in PPV that they ordered on my cable account.
Yeah, i guess im somehow going to have to deal with the terror of knowing xaston is coming to beat me up (though i suppose now that he killed the wcoop he could hire someone to do it)