how much for a bedroom, i know you said depends on size, but can you pm or post how much a room+utils would generally run per month?

Smaller room is $600/mo
Master Bedroom is $750/mo

Utilities, on average are about $100/mo total


Cost of living, such as gas and groceries are very inexpensive, especially for california.


I'll PM you my Skype if you want to know more.

have to say that is one sick sick view, wow!

Rooms available...

i know i know! im guna be stayin put in gloomy UK

i reskimmed thread but how close is heavenly(and others but u mentioned this was closest i think) driving wise? id prob need to rent a car im guessing.

whats shortest you would do 1 week? 2 weeks? and estimate what you would want for rent/utilities for time period, how many ppl are livin there currently? i wont make a mess and i have a good rep in community so not some random u gotta worry bout.

heard theres a big storm coming is that the case?

and whats the smoking situation like?

they play poker in Tahoe?

Heavenly is like 3 miles away, and there's a bus that goes from here to there. Plenty others near by as well.



Right now there are two of us living here. I would be willing to do any amount of time. Prob like $200/wk, everything included.


We just got like 2 ft of fresh powder. I am sure they got even more on the mountains.



The house is Prop 215 friendly. Cigarettes outside.




Tourists are looking for any excuse to part with their money.




Anyone can PM me for more specifics.

No rooms available. Lock it up.

There was a request to reopen this thread (wasn't actually locked), I guess the requester will follow up when he's on next

I'm about tired of popcorn. I've only been back a week and I'm ready to cut my face off.

I moved into this house the 2nd week of February, I gave him the $750 for rent of the master bedroom and a $750 deposit. After two weeks into the stay 4G24B (Mike) Wakes me up in the morning and tells me the landlord is heading over. I don't remember the exact conversation as I was groggy but he says basically I need to be up because the landlord is showing the house (which I thought was weird). I left the house and came back and when I got back the landlord was outside and after talking with him he tells me Mike is being evicted b/c he can't pay the bills. I decided to cut my stay short as this made me uncomfortable. Before leaving I asked for my deposit back but he said he had no money. He couldn’t even send me back the $200 on FT that I had sent maybe a month before this. All in all a great experience in my first poker house.

Anyways I have no problem posting again when the $750 is paid back to me but in the meantime I would be wary of any transactions with him.

If anything needs clarifying let me know.

posting the customary:

This is fairly amusing. And if I couldn't prove he was lying, I would be pretty pissed.

First of all, he gave me $100 for a deposit which I allowed him to pay on full tilt. The above Screen Shot of my past transactions shows this.

I told him he could pay the $750 for the room when he arrived, which he did.


Initially I was looking for first + last + security deposit (equal to one month rent). But he told me from the beginning that he only wanted to stay for one month. So, I obviously wasn't going to charge him for all of that if he was only going to be here for four weeks.


He told me he would be here on the first of February. (He was late. I never told him I was going to pro-rate anything as I was a little irritated with being jerked around)


Before he arrived I let the landlord know that I would be filling the rooms and that I would be giving him the rent for all the new roommates.

Going into the month of February, I had many people claiming that they would like to move in. So, I assumed all rooms would be filled. At the last minute everyone else backed out, including several posters in this thread. One of which I left negative feedback for in the marketplace thread.


(this left me short + late for Feb rent)


So back to el-producto (Casey).


He paid me the $750, and at the time, I was even going to allow him to stay 2 weeks into March as long as the other rooms were filled, and no one else wanted to move into the master bedroom in March.


I spoke to my landlord before all of this, as I previously said. I told him that I needed to fill the other rooms because A) it was kind of a waste of money to pay for a 4BR house by myself and B) I recently had a large amount of money lost due to identity theft on one of my bank accounts. (I have screen shots of the fraud alerts from 3 different banks).


I paid for first + last + security deposit when I moved in. So, I asked the landlord if there was any way I could terminate my lease early if no one moved in. He said that would be alright, and that I should try to fill the rooms first though, in order to make it easier to pay the rent.


After everyone backed out, and Casey said he would be leaving in March, I told my landlord that I would be leaving. I believe his wife gave him a hard time about being so lenient on the lease, and when they came to show it, his wife was extremely obnoxious about it. Even though her husband and I always had a good relationship.


Because I had already paid for my last month rent, it was agreed that I would be moving out by April 1st.

When everyone backed out before February, I was only able to pay half of February's rent. (I had been trying to fill the rooms since Christmas time, because I knew I wouldn't be able to continue paying the full rent on my own, until my banking was straightened out.)


When Dfa2001 managed to get my BOA accounts locked up as well, I was put in an even more difficult position.


So, the landlord let me know at the last minute that he had a potential future tenant for April 1st, and wanted to show the rooms immediately. So, I woke Casey up and let him know. What was said by my landlord's wife, I don't know. She is kind of a bitch, and I am sure she had an attitude.


So anyway, I let Casey know, and told him not to sweat it because it didn't really effect him in any way, since he was already planning on leaving in March anyway, and I had already paid for half of February, and all of March, and they were using a portion of my security deposit to pay for the second half of February.


So anyway, that was that.


So then Casey tells me he is leaving, and he wants all of his money back. I was like "Um..... OK". I didn't want to cause a ton of problems, even though I thought it was absurd. And I let him know that I would try to at least return his security deposit, since I could understand if the situation seemed a little odd and therefore made him uncomfortable. Despite it not effecting him in any way.


But now that he is trying to pull this, I would like to make some other things clear.


First of all, he is a complete slob. I spent a large portion of each day picking up after him. While he was here, he did not wash a single dish, despite there being a dish washer right next to the sink. He wouldn't so much as rinse a dish off. He would just leave dishes all over the counters. Bags of trash by the door. Food wrappers and leftovers all over the place. It was absurd.


Second of all (and I believe this is the real reason why he left), he complained about the temp from Day 1. This is freaking South Lake Tahoe, in February. There's snow. It gets cold sometimes. I have no idea if he believed it would be the same temp as Vegas or what. Maybe he doesn't know about www.weather.com. I normally keep the temp in the house at 68-70 degrees. But that wasn't warm enough for him. This is a very large 4BR house, and he decided that he wanted the heat to be 75-80 at all times, and not only that.... but he would turn the thermostat up to 75-80 AND have the gas fireplace running at full blast. I asked him nicely not to leave the fireplace on all night (since no one was even in that room). But every night I would either come home or come downstairs at 4 am, and sure enough, heat is all the way up and fireplace is blazing.


Perhaps he doesn't know what gas prices are like these days?


This brings me to my final point.... utilities.


The Gas for the time he was here was almost TWICE as much as any month while I was here alone. My highest bill before he was here was ~$115. February was warmer (on avg) than January, and the bill was still $220.

On top of that, there is a $79 bill for water + sewer.

Refuse collection is $25/mo

Electric is ~$100/mo (again, higher when he was here since he also left every light on at all times, where as I am diligent about keeping all lights off).

Cable + Internet = ~$100/mo


Splitting the utilities would have resulted in a $250 bill for EACH of us.


But because I felt bad that he had to deal with my landlord's wife (for 2 minutes), I told him not to worry about the utilities if he wanted to leave early.



But now that he has pulled this ****, I am going to use his $100 (NOT $200 as he lied about above) towards the utilities bills that I received for the time he was here.


He didn't have to leave. He didn't have to show up late. He had a master bedroom with his own bathroom. I even supplied him with brand new pillows and towels.

So for $850 total, he got a sick place to stay for 1 month in South Lake Tahoe, with all utilities included. House and bedroom completely furnished. He even had a maid to take care of him for the month. (me)


Casey is 21 years old, and while I can't really blame him for being a slob at his age, I think he needs to work on some things personally and socially.



I have never once screwed anyone out of any money. Ever. In my life. There were some fairly prominent people in the poker community that came to me looking to rent a room. Had they followed through, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. But what do we think I was going to do, **** DeucesCracked instructors out of money and try to get away with it? I mean, everyone has my name, number, facebook, address, skype, AIM etc etc.

This was no scam, and there was no need for any of this to happen. I bent over backwards to accommodate him and even his friends. He had some friends coming to town to go skiing and I told him that all four of them were welcome to stay for the weekend for only $50. And after they left, I told Casey that they were welcome to come back any time, free of charge. The only reason that I even asked for the $50 was to cover any damages or anything like that if things got out of hand while they were all partying. And I am certain they weren't going to get another place in SLT for 4 people for $50.


If anyone else would like any further information, I would be more than happy to supply it.


But warning people not to do business with me in the future is completely absurd. Casey needs to grow up.




Cliffs:

el-producto moves in, gets a discount, decides it's too cold. Wants all of his money back, and posts retaliatory slander when he doesn't get his way immediately.


For the record, I don't really think Casey came here planning on running some scam. But I think he is severely over estimating what he is due in this situation. Just because he may regret coming here (whether that's warranted or not) doesn't mean that he gets to freeroll for a month in Tahoe.


Sorry this was so long. I just wanted to make everything perfectly clear.

And before there's any claims that he made 2 sep $100 transfers:

Sigh, these threads make me sad. Too many poker players are not reliable and/or trustworthy. I am going to try my best to make sure **** like this doesn't happen in San Diego.

I don't really think it's a matter of trustworthiness.


I just think el-producto has never lived with strangers before, and probably isn't comfortable meeting new people. I don't think he thought the whole thing through. Then once he got out here it was cold and he didn't have any of his old friends around (assuming he has college friends in vegas) and decided he made a bad decision.


Now he regrets paying for it and wants all of his money back. Which isn't reasonable. I don't know if maybe he had a downswing or something and is tilted about the whole situation.


So he came here to try and cut his losses as much as possible and embellished the truth a little, trying to get as much value as he could.


Kind of ****ed up, that's all. Clearly not thinking things through.


I'm 27 years old and I'm not really interested in the drama.


I spoke to you (pghfan) a lot on AIM. If you ever got the impression that I was trying to scam anyone, feel free to say so.

I was never trying to get money out of people. I was just looking for people to make a commitment and stick to it.

No I don't think you were trying to scam anyone obv. But you did push pretty hard for me to move out there. If I wasn't in school I might have. I would not have been happy if I moved all the way out there, then found out that the landlord was ready to kick you out.

A) If you came out, everyone would still be here.

B) He never really wanted to kick me out. I was the one who said I was leaving.

C) I was pushing for you to come out because I thought you would make a good edition to the house. Plus I needed help with the rent.



You were one of the best candidates that contacted me, along with ceegee. It would have been a good mix, and I think we all would have had fun and done well. That was my primary concern. Once you and ceegee backed out, along with about 10 others, it became clear that I was wasting my money paying for so many rooms for myself and told the landlord that I would appreciate it if they found someone else to rent it.


I was never served with an eviction notice or anything like that, or else I wouldn't still be here.

Well I don't think it's accurate to say I "backed out". I liked the house and PMed you about the price. Then I said I might be interested this summer. I was very clear that I can't come out this spring because I need to graduate first. Then about a month later I said I am leaning towards San Diego this summer, instead. I certainly never committed to anything.

I'm not trying to cause any trouble, I just want to make sure my poker house goes really smoothly.

That's true, I beg your pardon. It's hard to keep track of when everyone said they were coming.


ceegee said Jan, then Feb, then March, then not at all. el-producto was supposed to be Jan, then Feb, then was still late.


It was the same basic story with everyone.


But I didn't mean to imply that you had any wrong doing or flaked or anything. I was just saying, if you had come out then everything would have been fine, I wouldn't have made plans to leave here.


If the landlord was a dick to el-producto it might have been because they thought that he might be staying after I left or something. Which would have complicated things for them. So maybe they just wanted to make sure we were all leaving and not just me. I don't know.


I apologized to him before he left. I sincerely meant it. I certainly wish it didn't come to this.

You're right I only sent you $100 on FT it was over a month ago and I misremembered.

However on arrival I gave you $1400 cash for the first months rent and the deposit. You never seem to mention this amount in your response and only imply that I paid you $750. Are you denying the fact that a total of $1500 was given to you within the first day I got there?

I'm not looking to "freeroll" you I'm trying to get the $750 deposit back