Yes we're still aware of this issue and we don't need further reports please.

This is exactly what written rental agreements are for and why people pay with checks. It's one guys word against the other & this is a good example of why screenshots are problematic. Both parties know the identity of the other plus other relevant information so this doesn't need to be handled on an internet forum, does it?

I mean I guess argue it out here and I'll make a couple notes but I'm not sure what this has to do with us.

I agree, this would have been open and shut if I had done one of the above. Stupid of me to trust someone I barely knew.

I would like to thank you and another poster who pm'd me with ideas to try to prove what I was saying.

When I requested the thread be reopened my goal was just to make sure it was out in the public that he owed me money and was giving me the runaround. I thought he would man up admit he owed me $750 and agree to start paying it back.

When he started accusing me of lying i was completely shocked and tried to handle it as best I could but I was enraged that he would turn around and deny everything I had said, and even worse make up stories about his time living with me, all while peppering in things about how I was a "slob" or "juvenile"

Now at this point I would usually just call it quits here and hope our legal system would be of some help, but I had plans to start a poker house here in vegas during the summer and didn't want people questioning my integrity. I think it would be extremely difficult to convince people to join in on a house with me while this whole mess was still up in the air.

So without further ado here is the video which should show the actual text messages that took place between us, and our skype conversation. Mike has disconnected this phone number in the last few days so as far as I know there should be no problem showing the actual phone number.

Deleted youtube video w/ phone number. You've also got a couple other phone numbers visible too. I appreciate what you're trying to do but personal phone numbers are out. - Gonso

The phone number shown in the video is a 617 area code (Massachusetts where he went to school) And there are many people who have chatted with him on skype than can confirm this is his skype name in the video.

And in the video I mistakenly say $150 instead of $100

Pretty compelling evidence you have there el producto. By the looks of it, it doesnt look like you were lying in any way as I dont know how you could doctor skype convos. I will shoot him a PM and try to be a mediator and sort things out.

ya thats him

Because BYN sent me a PM, I came back.


I thought there would be some new information, but there is not.


Clearly Casey found: http://www.pranktxt.com/


My number is not disconnected. If a mod would like me to respond to a text from them, please feel free. And then I would like my number removed from this thread. As none of this proves anything and is just posting my personal information for no reason.

(Also, I would like all my bank info taken down as well. I posted it to prove that I haven't been lying, and now there's no more reason to have that personal info posted either. Thanks mods)

My number isn't in question. It is pretty easy to have texts sent that seem to come from my number. I could do the same thing with Casey's number which is why I haven't really bothered to post them as evidence.

I could even go through and reconstruct an almost identical text conversation where Casey says he owes ME $750. Not that difficult. There's a thousand sites that will do it.

Im not familiar with that site but I still think there is a problem with this story. For this to actually be true, your saying he went and used this site on Feb 20th??? His phone clearly shows the date Feb 20th when the message was received saying that you wont have the $750. Like I said Im not familiar with the site, but Im assuming it would still show the real date the message was received and that couldn't be doctored. For this reason the story is pretty unlikely since on Feb 20th, he had no reason to believe there was going to be an argument about the money so therefore he wouldnt be going on some prank texting site. Please correct me if Im wrong

In response to this

YouTube vid of phone w/ phone numbers again, same as above. -G.

So Mike has just found some way to block my calls, and make it appear that his phone has been disconnected.

He clearly doctored the conversation with one of the fake texting sites, and he can make the dates and times read whatever he wants. It's all manually editable.


Here is one of the many sites that instruct you on how to do it: http://www.ehow.com/how_5519767_chan...me-iphone.html



I find this boring and a little sad that someone would try so hard to recover something he is not owed. He paid rent to stay here, he showed up late and left early, which was not my fault and I don't owe him his rent back. That is all he is trying to get. This is not his security deposit that he is trying to recover, it's the actual rent.


If he would like to deal with this in court, I would be more than happy to. Aside from that, I am not going to continue dignifying his claims with further responses.


Thanks to everyone who only wanted to do what they could to keep the community safe, but no one has been scammed and no one will be (because I will not allow myself to be).



gg

This thread is all messed up. Also OP the link you provided me is totally irrelevant to changing dates of a text message. Its also not that easy to doctor text messages on the phone and if it is how about you attempt to do it with your messages?

Also what is your response to the youtube link he just posted?


Im not trying to take sides here at all, Im just trying to get everything figured out to keep the community safe

You argued that because of the dates and times on the text messages, that the convo was probably real. That's simply not the case, since you can manually change the date and time on your phone, and then the text messages will look to have been received on whatever date time you want. It's a pretty easy trick.


Youtube link about me blocking his calls? It's irrelevant, but if you would like to know, I got a ton of calls and hang ups from him since this thread started, so I blocked his number to keep my phone from constantly ringing, since he obviously would not like to talk to me directly about this. I mean, if he had something honest to say, or some legitimate claim, he would have contacted me directly, and not posted something about it here, hoping to rile a mob into forcing me to give his rent back.


Casey asked me if I had his $100, and when I said "not at the moment", because as I already showed above, all my bank accounts are fked, he decided to come here and make it public. Even though I clearly told him I would have his money back withing 30 days. He wanted it back the same day.


When that didn't happen he came here, and once he got here, he realized that why ask for $100 and he can ask for $750 with the same results. Since he knows he owes ME money, trying to get money out of me is a freeroll for him, so might as well shoot for the most he believes he can get.


The whole claim started with lies (which he referred to "misremembering") and now he can't let it go without looking like a total scammer.


It takes him days to come up with each new piece of evidence. I am certain this is because he has someone who is moderately tech savvy trying to help him produce whatever evidence they can manufacturer. (I assume whomever owns the android phone in the last video).


The whole thing is a joke and the more I defend myself, the more it is going to encourage him to fabricate "evidence".


I have spoke to the mod, even before Casey posted. I have not hid, ran, or lied. This simply doesn't deserve any more of my time.



I'm sorry Casey didn't have fun here. I'm sorry he made this last minute decision which I am sure he is currently regretting.

Alright well OP seems to do a good job stating his case so its just his word vs el producto's word. El producto's main evidence is his text messages but OP states they are fake and its tough to prove either way. Doesnt look like this thread is going to solve anything so you two should just figure it out on your own I guess.

GG thread

mods and I both agree.


I would be more than happy to take this to court if need be, or deal with any law enforcement officials.


But I really don't see the point in getting into a war of "he siad, she said" on an internet forum where it's basically going to turn into a popularity contest, best case scenario.


I am not here to trash anyone's reputation, and I don't appreciate anyone trying to trash mine.


FWIW, going forward, if el-producto would like to be involved in a poker house, this can easily be avoided by signing leases and getting receipts for all rent and deposit. There are free forms you can download online to cover all the legal documents. I would have done it myself, but my thoughts were "It's only one month, how much could really go wrong".


That was my fault for not protecting myself.


Once again, I appreciate everyone being reasonable and trying to protect the community, and I appreciate the patience of the mods.


**CLOSED**

Im pretty sure you are kidding when you say you would take this to court. Doesnt seem like you have a whole lot of evidence against him and you disprove any evidence he has against you so once again it becomes down to who said what so it would cost you both alot of money in the end and be really pointless

Didn't read this whole thing but it is very easy to doctor time stamps on an iPhone if your jailbroken not choosing sides just I'm an iPhone user and know that to be true... You don't do it threw a site it's a tweak to change time stamps hope everything works out

FWIW Everybody:

Don't post things in threads you don't want public. We're being asked to delete info ITT which we will do to a point. Addresses, bank accounts, phone numbers are what I'm talking about. OP send me a new list and where in the mess of 100+ posts they appear and I'll remove or edit them.

I am NOT deleting every random screenshot you posted of an xfer with no real personal info (post 66), or screen names or whatever. That all stays just like in every other thread.

Went through posts 66, 68, 80, 86, 88, 102, and 107 which were pointed out to me. Post 86 I edited out bank screenshots with the only info being full name, bank, a couple small thing which are kind of borderline. 102 and 107 I edited out the YouTube links w/ phone numbers in them. Edits are all noted.

The remainder aren't a problem as far as I see them. Going forward do not post any personally identifiable information unless it's your own and you intend for it to sit here forever. If someone else wants to do some big investigation do it by PM, but it's not the best use of our time right now. The thread will remain here and future potential business partners on 2+2 can decide for themselves what to make of either guy.

Thanks for going through all this crap, Gonso; I hope one of you feels pretty stupid for putting him through this hassle with all of your lies.

In the screenshot el-p says 'can you atleast start by sending what i sent on ft'

Why would he say start if he was only owed $100?

not sure if this is relevant, but OP, 4G24BM, and i talked on AIM because i was considering moving to this house.
he was nothing but nice and while i got the idea he was going out of his way to try convince me to come, he didnt come off as desperate, which i guess he was because it seems he knew eviction was coming?
when i told him thanks for his time but i cant make the move, he didnt respond, just immediately blocked me on aim. i find this a testament of his character.
i also PM'd him on 2p2 again thanking and apologizing to him.
again, i dont know if this is relevant, but after reading this thread, i have made up my mind on who is lying.

imo el-producto got shafted here.


Sorry bro but you 21 and he 27 he's just way more awesome

This is probably highly irrelevant, and im not sure what the bank screenshot said because its already been deleted.

but.

If its bank of america they put a debit of $888,888.88 on your account when theyve decided to close it. Mine was closed for internet gaming related stuff, and i got the debit as well, but they can close it for bouncing too many checks also. Its to make sure you dont take out any money while theyre closing it and waiting for your unsettled activity to clear. Google something like bank of america debit $888,888 for info.

all i know is that one person in this thread is insane

cliffs?

^^ This seems like a seriously legit question

I'm the Landlord of the house Mike rented before I had him evicted after 3 1/2 months in March because he couldn't pay the rent on time after the first month. This is a public record now in El Dorado County Civil Court. The judgment was for over $5,000.

I met Casey in February when I showed up to show the house to new tenants. At that time, Casey told me he paid 1,500 for rent and deposit. I told him Mike was in the process of being evicted, and that Casey had to leave soon. Mike took the $1,500 if Casey is correct in what he told me, paid $1,200 in late rent and other fees, kept $300 for himself, and paid none of his own money that month.

Mike sure is a fair roommate to share a house with. Let's see, the house rents for $2,250, He keeps the big master bedroom, rents the small master bedroom out for $750, and the two smaller bedrooms out for $600 each. So if he rents the 3 rooms for $1,950, then he only has to pay $300 for the large master. What a nice guy...... Then if the extra security deposit is not returned..... Also, why would a guy try to rent rooms for first, last, and security, when he only had to pay first and security?

I find it amusing that Mike makes such a big deal about the utilities, since the gas and electric were registered to Adrienne Bush who ever that is, racked up utility expenses over $1,000 and never paid them. The utilities were disconnected when they went unpaid. Gee, I wonder if this scam was preplanned? Incredible that he has the gall to complain about not collecting utility money that he never intended to pay himself.

Mods - Breakyaneck & Le Gonso, while you're trying to decide if this message is legit, maybe one of you should call xxxx, a bartender at xxxxx in South Lake Tahoe, phone # (530) xxxxxx. Ask him if he knows who Mike is. Ask if he, his girlfriend, and kids ended up in the street, or if he was able to work something out after he was scammed in a Craigs List ad in March for $3,500. He will tell you that a Craigs List scam ad hooked up a friend to act as a broker to rent the house out and keep $500 in the deal. This ad promised to rent the house for a "Steal of a Deal" for $1,500 (normally $2,250) and $2,000 security. As he said, probably a deal too good to be true. Problem is the real owner never ran that ad.

Now what I can't figure out, is why would the scam ad instruct the broker to cash the $3,500 check, keep $500, and then pay $3,000 to Mike, the tenant still in the house who unknown to them is less than 1 week from being evicted by the sheriff. I just wonder why that ad would instruct for the money to go to a tenant still in the house. Gee, I just can't make the connection..... ??? As Aric told me, this is one soulless cold dude who could look at your kids, look you in the eye, and then stiff you for the money.

So, is this the kind of person you want in your group? Invite into your house? Maybe it would be better to invite Mike to Aric's house if you know where he is, Aric would dearly like to ask him a few questions.