Flop bet is probably ok some of the time at some frequency, I decided not to without any type of flush draw, and rolled low. This A high flop is deceivingly bad for us, we have AA but they 44 and 33, and 2 pairs and Ax hands. It's also relatively low and they should have a good amount of hands that interact this the two tone texture. We still have the equity advantage as the 3 bettor, but I think we do lose a chunk of EV by range betting this board and our hand isn't great to bet with.

Yeah ran a sim and saw this. We don't have enough offsuited hands to catch enough, so probably getting kinda wrecked.

Straight draw w no front or backdoor flush or overcards isn't exactly a "good equity draw," even if it is open ended

I'm guessing you haven't actually looked at any spots like this in a solver

So you just don't have a x flop, call turn, bet river range then?

Thinking that you always need to bet hands with no sdv on any given street is not good poker

tbh exactly what I thought when I read your comment

I don't bet all hands with no SD but a 6 high open ender on Ax is mandatory, which is why the solver bets that combo 95% of the time, which is hilarious considering you are lecturing about solvers.


So you just have AA and nothing else? lol. What % of his range is 44, 33? You think its higher ev to check back 6 high and call turns with crappy odds than betting?

idk what ranges or tree you're using that gave you that result, but I'm guessing you must've made a mistake somewhere. It's mixed, but no way the bet freq should be that high




Villain doesn't always bet the turn

Show ur ranges and freq for 65s then

I love how you guys are dick measuring over a clearly mixed strategy. My sim has the spade combo of 65 betting a lot, but still not pure. The non-spades less often, as they obviously have way less equity. Around 50/50.

I think it is more useful to look at the entire strategy first. My sim is betting around 55% of the time globally, which makes sense, as both players have pretty neutral equity. Looking at this specific combo, it is pretty clear that we should be checking back sometimes, but either option is fine and we should know how to play both lines correctly.

As played, I like the river fold vs population. He is going to struggle to come up with enough bluffs to make us want to call here, IMO. Basically, every offsuit BW with a spade, some pocket pairs with a spade, like 77-66, and random crap like QJhh.

Great response.

That was the point I was trying to make

One great thing about solvers and randomizers is that it allows trash regs to justify their awful plays because 'its ok at some frequency' or 'not pure'. In reality many spots are effectively pure considering none of us are capable of even playing close to optimal while actually grinding, no matter how much they want to wank off about using their randomizer when they still don't even know basic strategy.

That's actually also a pretty fair response. Would you like to explain why betting is definitively higher EV than checking?

depends if you are oop in ip. And the player type. Fast fold vs Regular table.

No reads, fast fold, you want to bet to either protect a range or project a polarized range. Against fish, projecting polarized doesn't work too well, so go with merged range tactics.

Are you playing against high level thinkers? Fast fold, sometimes, sometimes not. Regular table, a few rounds should tell you where you are at.

In all cases, if we have a 3bet or better spot, gto says there might be a 50% chance of cbetting, but also check and bet on turn. IP, call the flop bet with MAYBE a backdoor something, but if the turn is checked, and the river bet isn't the usual size, can bluff river pretty easily. Board dependent.

If you have a good starting range hand for your position, even if utg, against fish on regular table, continued pressure usually takes it down by turn. This time, player dependent.

Its not always about EV, its about the circumstances, board, and player.

This is the first marginally intelligent thing you have posted in a few months. The thing is I know for a fact this is going to be a mixed strat in theory. This board is not a range bet, and never have I seen a sim bet a nut draw 100% of the time when it was a mixed strategy with our range. Then I think about what villain might think, which is if a 7 or something comes, I will never have 56s. So by checking back 6 high, I'm effectively protecting my range on various run outs.

I mean, this is a good point in general, but doesn't really apply to either OP or I wrt this hand that we're talking about here

Played a very long session to hit 10k hands -




Always feels good to have a comeback



Full graph ^ running 2 bi above ev at this point

Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG: $254.31 (127 bb)
MP: $184.21 (92 bb)
CO: $222.64 (111 bb)
BU: $200.00 (100 bb)
SB (Hero): $255.75 (128 bb)
BB: $372.41 (186 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is SB with J♠ J♦
2 players fold, CO raises to $4.40, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets to $20, 1 fold, CO calls $15.60

Flop: ($42) 4♠ 6♠ Q♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($42) Q♥ (2 players)
Hero bets $19.95, CO raises to $72.18, Hero calls $52.23

River: ($186.36) K♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $130.46 (all-in), SB (Hero) folds

Interesting spot here vs. an unk. I folded, but in hindsight feels like a call. I just don't expect people to be balanced in their check back range. We even block some of his nut check back hands.

Definitely an interesting spot, especially given the sizes used. Not sure he takes the line with a flush, so having the Js doesn't seem super relevant, neither does blocking QJs. He's got a lot of boats in his range. I'd be interested in what the solver choses for bluff catching river.

I think u can cb this flop, there are lot of worst hands calling and u need some protection

I love all the support guys, but I'm going to stop updating this thread regularly. maybe every 20k hands or something I'll share a graph and a hand or too but that's it

Blitz - 1

OP - 0

I've won 2200$ in the past 3 months playing blitz. Just think I can make more money on clubs and secret sites and ****

thread lasted longer than I thought anyway. rip

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hehe whos got the last laugh

Good luck with that.

If you ever detox from poker, i'll assure you that you'll realize that the time spent to make 2,200 in 3 months wasn't worth it regardless of any run good. You could do all kinds of life's adventures for 2,200 in pay that could further your financial success and simply enjoy life more while you are young.

It's certainly helpful to gain knowledge on the game and you're playing the right pool to do so. My point is don't waste too much time and money in the Blitz shenanigans - it won't be worth it regardless of how well you run and will just set you back in life.

Not sure why everyone is being a dick. No shame in finding softer games. gl

Unfortunately I'll have to agree. Poker can be insanely stressful for me, and 2 tabling blitz for an hourly of maybe 10-15 bucks at high variance is just not the path I want to go through, at least atm. On pppoker and pokerbros there are insanely soft 200 and 400nl games that I think I could print on.

Thanks, 2+2 will be 2+2. I was doing the thread for myself and my own accountability, so a few salty posters doesn't affect me too mcuh.