From my experience reca do tend to float these 1/3 cbets quite wide, especially when they limp, and can see him bluffing the river quite frequently with KTo, ATo type of hands. Dont mind the bluffcatch at all vs this sizing

its still worse than raising if opposition plays correctly against it though

It's not funny though is it because it's being done for massively different reasons and it's incredibly easy to spot over a really small sample whether it's one or the other. When people say it's bad that's because 99% of the time it is. Even good players who have worked out limping ranges are proabably doing it fairly poorly.

What do you mean by that?

From what Ive tried out with limping, a good strat vs it is to limp behind with a lot of hands, like SCs, even one gappers,Axs, pps from 22 to 99 and raise super polarized for a bigg sizing(6x the bb).

Vs tight limps by regs we have a very low risk of getting raised by regs(if they know what they are doing),so we can play more hands profitably because we are protected by the limper.

If everyone plays well and dont isolate too wide, it can backfire a lot vs the limper. Its really bad to have SB complete with 75s and realise so nuch equity for so cheap.

what i mean is an open limp strategy is going to fare worse than a raising one unless you force bigger mistakes by doing it, so its prob viable in zoom as an exploit given lots of people are still on auto pilot

It doesn't effect your winrate much because:

1. The spot isn't as common as you might think, make a filter by all means and see for yourself.
2. The pot is small.
3. Unless you call in absolutely horrendous spots it's going to be somewhat close to 0 EV.

All in all a spot where you don't have any money to make and calling a bit too often can range from adding pointless variance at 0 ev to losing you a little bit, depending on how stubborn you get.

Don't overdo the calling and move on to more important stuff.

AK call seems good

If that was really a rec I'd be more likely to check flop. Calling OTR is close, probably ok

Sick thread OP. +1 from Brazil. Any thoughts about the brazilians regs in 200z?

Played some yesterday, so sick to get owned recently. Some hands

H1: vs reg, lol, river is always KK/AA, right? Maybe checking back? It looks nitty, but meh, his line is so nutted. Good fold? I have the best combo to call, but I don't think guy has bluffs here.

PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 110.92 BB
SB: 244.75 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 449.74 BB
MP: 138.92 BB
Hero (CO): 108.36 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J T

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, SB raises to 10.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 8.18 BB

Flop: (22 BB, 2 players) J A J
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (22 BB, 2 players) K
SB checks, Hero bets 10.87 BB, SB calls 10.87 BB

River: (43.73 BB, 2 players) Q
SB checks, Hero bets 14.03 BB, SB raises to 223.38 BB and is all-in, fold

SB wins 70.41 BB


H2: vs station reg, IDK why I do this, but meh, spot was so clear to bluff, I'm so strong after calling his 3-bet and this is basically my only natural bluff. If I bluff all 45s I'll be overbluffing ofc(but not by much, will be bluffing 50% while needing to have 40% bluffs)

PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB
SB: 140.06 BB
Hero (BB): 100.28 BB
UTG: 119.96 BB
MP: 101.4 BB
CO: 83.75 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 4 5

UTG raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players) 3 2 T
Hero checks, UTG bets 2.62 BB, Hero raises to 7 BB, UTG raises to 18.54 BB, Hero calls 11.54 BB

Turn: (42.57 BB, 2 players) K
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: (42.57 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero bets 79.24 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 79.24 BB

Looooooooool get owned.

Is that a Brokenstars special?

Played today, got somewhat owned, but I think I've played well, will have another coaching session with brokenstars, will study about bluffcatching. vaaaaaamooo!!

Some hands

H1: excellent play by reg lol! What pisses me off the most is that he uses run it once and wins, no justice!

PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 102.23 BB
Hero (SB): 139.21 BB
BB: 104.5 BB
UTG: 102.5 BB
MP: 103.63 BB
CO: 107.85 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7 7

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, CO calls 7.5 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) J 9 7
Hero checks, CO bets 7 BB, Hero raises to 22 BB, CO raises to 97.85 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 75.85 BB

Turn: (216.7 BB, 2 players) 6

River: (216.7 BB, 2 players) 8



H2: love this one, finally making some calls! flop is quite loose, meh, but if he is going to overbluff later, maybe it's cool. Is it a fold OTF?

PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 71.47 BB
Hero (SB): 112.83 BB
BB: 101.5 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 112.39 BB
CO: 137.73 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J K

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 3 6 8
Hero bets 1.89 BB, BB raises to 5.99 BB, Hero calls 4.11 BB

Turn: (17.98 BB, 2 players) J
Hero checks, BB bets 14.14 BB, Hero calls 14.14 BB

River: (46.26 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, BB bets 45.04 BB, Hero calls 45.04 BB



H3: vs unknown, thought it was such a good card to bluff, also that he could be valuebetting a chop, meh, is it a good call? I think it's probably a fold vs weaktight players, but without info on him went with the call

PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 123.63 BB
Hero (SB): 104.44 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 126.93 BB
CO: 99 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J T

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.4 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, CO calls 7.6 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) T Q 2
Hero bets 6.61 BB, CO calls 6.61 BB

Turn: (34.21 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, CO checks

River: (34.21 BB, 2 players) K
Hero checks, CO bets 36 BB, Hero calls 36 BB



H4: vs fish, not in my house >D vaaaaaaaaamoo

PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 285.87 BB
SB: 96.45 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 172.18 BB
MP: 112.61 BB
CO: 110.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T T

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4.5 BB, 2 players) 7 5 K
Hero checks, UTG bets 2.14 BB, Hero calls 2.14 BB

Turn: (8.78 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, UTG bets 4.17 BB, Hero calls 4.17 BB

River: (17.12 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, UTG bets 8.14 BB, Hero calls 8.14 BB




H5: vs nit, good fold? So funny to see some loose calls and some sick folds in the same session haha!

PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 109.95 BB
SB: 151.65 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 20.45 BB
MP: 63.73 BB
CO: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 4 4

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.25 BB, Hero calls 2.25 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) Q K K
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: (6 BB, 2 players) 4
CO bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

River: (14 BB, 2 players) 9
CO checks, Hero bets 9.98 BB, CO raises to 40 BB, fold

CO wins 32.58 BB

JTs, why are you checking the flop? bet it and jam turn, simple.

45s, no idea what you are repping there. You over bet jam air, but in the hand above you play trips like TP. lul.

H1. xr that flop is lolz. Deservedly stacked.

H2 'quite loose' = quite awful.

H3. You pick up equity so barrel it , don't check. Deservedly owned yet again.


H5. Turn a boat so we obviously want to raise for value to build the pot, so naturally you just flat, and proceed to get owned on the river. Pathetic really. 2nl regs would have played that better.

Verdict. 0/7.

Do you notice the common theme lately is you getting owned? I wonder when you will realize its time to move down.

I think you should tone it down with the bluffs. People are check-raising top pair for value against you and trapping you with it on the turn/river. You describe yourself as a nit, but the pool in general must view you as a huge station if they are routinely raise/trapping top pairs against you. You did get owned pretty hard in this hand, as mirage says.

[x] can't read hh...gives advice.

Ok, 3betting, not check raising.

This guy is somewhat lost in what he is doing there, he developed a merged 3-bet range OTF to deny my equity, but he is a nit and is underbluffing there. Also he didnt go for thin value/denial OTT, he probably checks back AK in that spot, so he will let me realise all my equity and get stacked every time I hit my draw/have value otf.

His line is only good if I always overbluff vs him, and its hard to see a reg always overbluffing the same person. Also by underbluffing he benefits the least amount possible from his strategy, since most of his EV should come from his bluffs with that strategy(considering people dont pay him off, which is probably true)

Also I was wrong in my analysis, I have all TT combos in there, so 7 value combos for 4 bluff combos. 45s is a mandatory bluff in there(maybe not vs him, but thats the hand I want to be bluffing with). Since I need 40% bluffs, Im actually underbluffing slightly in that spot with all 45s combos as bluffs. AT is a better call than I thought too, better than AA. So props to him.

ye he was the lost one in the hand, while you clearly had it all figured out. lolz.

H1 and H3 analysis are so horrible I can't help but shake my head. Obv rapidesh has a ton too work on but this confirms my belief that he's actually better than you.

KJ flop sizing is really bad, and just fold to c/r. H1 definitely WP. Think the 44 hand is close, I think it depends on villain. Against competent one we definitely should be calling since we beat enough of their value range and some regs have bluffs (although on this board probably less likely)

Thats a pretty low blow. You will need to explain even roughly why they are horrible. How can a xr on J79rb be good let alone optimal? The JT, can go either way.

I mean H3 is whatever. You can mostly check here. But we bet small for thin value. On turn, we check a lot since we obviously can't get 3 streets of value + our hand doesn't need much protection and while our hand can call a C/r we are not really happy about it.

H1 for a very simple strat villain stabbed 1/3rd (which is also probably not great)so we should c/r extremely wide for value and protection. 77 is an amazing hand to c/r since we don't block any of his bet/call range and we get to inflate the pot with a great hand

You don't need to inflate a 3 bet pot, as its already easy to get the money in. Please do tell me villains bet/calling range vs a xr on that flop in a 3bet pot lol. Its very thin, (blow him off the pot basically) and your actually allowing him to check it back himself. Sorry your reasoning is awful, and I'm pretty confident the solver agrees with me, so its garbage as expoit or gto. You said my reasoning was awful so show me PIO output where XR 77 is highest ev and freq, and I'll stop posting in this thread for a week.

Happy? Ranges I used are slightly tweaked Monker's ranges, before you say theyre crap or whatever. On the flop 77 checks half the time and bets half the time.

Some geek will have to explain that to me, why is there no bet, and everything is raise