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07-13-2019 , 02:37 PM
we from the golden years of poker where regs politely sat together, shared the recreationals money and said 'good day kind sir, see ya when the whale moves up'.
07-14-2019 , 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by PlasticElephant
tbf the uk crew might be the biggest fish whisperers of all time
+9000000

also was "coached" by uk crew on how to play against fish over the past few years and it changed my gameplan against recs completely

Last edited by doctor877; 07-14-2019 at 05:14 AM.
07-14-2019 , 05:33 AM
Who is “uk crew” lol
07-14-2019 , 07:07 AM
huge crew of fish understanders

Last edited by PlasticElephant; 07-14-2019 at 07:08 AM. Reason: based in the uk
07-14-2019 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by PlasticElephant
huge crew of fish understanders
thanks for the clarification
07-17-2019 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Oladipo
Rapid - you always mention how you bet certain (usually small) sizings so that whales spazz out against them.

In my experience, value vs bad players comes from their inability to fold their (worse) range, as opposed to a propensity for bluffing or “spazzing”. They will basically call any size with a lot of their range in a lot of different spots. Since the exploit is to bet the max in these spots, it’s more often than not a mistake to not bet rather large on wet textures vs them.

Another part of it is that in 6 max we don’t really get enough hands vs whales in order to have to change our strategy or to go for more optimal lines (they would take forever to learn anyways, but that’s besides the point). So, the best way to approach it is by thinking what’s the max I can get from this whale in this hand, which is usually just getting big. You want to play as exploitatively as possible in these situations, if you are going for value and they are calling, you want to do whatever you can get away with - 6bbs pre, 9/10 on flop, 9/10 on turn, and 9/10 on river. You don’t even have to balance it with bluffs. Just smthg to think about
What sizing do you suggest on that texture? 2 streets? I try to avoid doing that because I start playing like a monkey easily, so I stick to my sizings post-flop almost always(just change my frequencies).

Slacked off a lot in the past days and whenever I started a session had internet problems, so tilting -.-


Some hands

H1: insaaaaaaaaane to see a donk OTR, so annoying. Villain was a station regfish that was passive. I decided to fold because the board was scary for him, he could definitely just call OTF/OTT with his sets afraid of AK. I decided to valuebet OTT because I think he wouldn't fold pair+gutshot ever in there and I had the FD. Good fold? He tanked a bit before jamming and started talking in the chat lol, after he did that I was feeling happier with the fold

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 196.76 BB
SB: 111.3 BB
BB: 99.5 BB
UTG: 138.9 BB
MP: 104.26 BB
Hero (CO): 113.14 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q A

fold, MP raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP calls 5.5 BB

Flop: (17.5 BB, 2 players) J Q T
MP checks, Hero bets 8.32 BB, MP calls 8.32 BB

Turn: (34.14 BB, 2 players) 7
MP checks, Hero bets 16.22 BB, MP calls 16.22 BB

River: (66.58 BB, 2 players) Q
MP bets 71.72 BB and is all-in, fold

MP wins 63.26 BB


H2: terrible play by me, I checked to x/j vs the fish, but after he bet so big I thought he had either a bluff or a FH, my read was that fish always go smaller on paired boards with their flushes, but it was quite wrong, specially on this one where I should have some trips that he could get value off

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 103.72 BB
SB: 138.2 BB
BB: 94.6 BB
UTG: 101.27 BB
Hero (MP): 100 BB
CO: 107.52 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 3 3

fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, CO calls 2.32 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (6.14 BB, 2 players) 6 K 3
Hero bets 1.46 BB, CO calls 1.46 BB

Turn: (9.06 BB, 2 players) K
Hero bets 6.46 BB, CO calls 6.46 BB

River: (21.98 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, CO bets 20.88 BB, Hero calls 20.88 BB

Spoiler:
CO shows J 5 (Flush, King High)
(Pre 49%, Flop 6%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows 3 3 (Full House, Threes full of Kings)
(Pre 51%, Flop 94%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins 61.24 BB



H3: not today

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 103.86 BB
Hero (SB): 121.51 BB
BB: 202.22 BB
UTG: 105.7 BB
MP: 114.92 BB
CO: 100 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q Q

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 11 BB, fold, UTG raises to 23 BB, fold

UTG wins 23 BB


H4: vs 9 vpip guy lol

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 105.7 BB
SB: 126.22 BB
BB: 106.15 BB
Hero (UTG): 111.96 BB
MP: 114.03 BB
CO: 117.71 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q A

Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, CO calls 2.32 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (6.14 BB, 2 players) 4 Q 3
Hero bets 1.46 BB, CO raises to 8 BB, fold

CO wins 8.61 BB


H5: vs reg that I didn't have much stats on, should I defend this? Obv a call in theory but meh, can't see many people bluffing a lot vs overbets

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 78.9 BB
SB: 80.59 BB
Hero (BB): 108.62 BB
UTG: 38.13 BB
MP: 140.22 BB
CO: 110.17 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A Q

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) T A 3
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero bets 8.53 BB, MP raises to 21 BB, fold

MP wins 22.38 BB


H6: easy fold vs passive fish

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 106.54 BB
SB: 88.17 BB
Hero (BB): 117.06 BB
UTG: 258.43 BB
MP: 100 BB
CO: 72.1 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5 4

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 3.11 BB, Hero calls 2.11 BB

Flop: (6.22 BB, 2 players) T A 2
SB bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB

Turn: (12.22 BB, 2 players) 8
SB checks, Hero bets 5.81 BB, SB calls 5.81 BB

River: (23.84 BB, 2 players) 3
SB checks, Hero bets 16.99 BB, SB raises to 76.25 BB and is all-in, fold

SB wins 55.32 BB


H7: vaamooooooooo!
sizings not approved by pio ofc haha

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 88.52 BB
SB: 105.95 BB
BB: 125.15 BB
UTG: 186.78 BB
Hero (MP): 104.24 BB
CO: 125.18 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T Q

fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 1.82 BB, fold

Flop: (5.64 BB, 2 players) 4 J 5
SB checks, Hero bets 1.34 BB, SB calls 1.34 BB

Turn: (8.32 BB, 2 players) 5
SB checks, Hero bets 10.9 BB, SB calls 10.9 BB

River: (30.12 BB, 2 players) 2
SB checks, Hero bets 39.48 BB, fold

Hero wins 28.61 BB

Last edited by Rapidesh123; 07-17-2019 at 10:15 PM.
07-18-2019 , 02:14 AM
i couldn't read past h1
07-18-2019 , 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by tgiggity
i couldn't read past h1
Given description, I can get behind a river fold. But every other hand is pretty rough.

Would def be a bit mindful of some things you post regarding views on some players etc. Also if I was in your pool I would probably go nuts if I see you folding tptk on a dry board vs small sizing. I'm sure regs read this thread and adjust somewhat accordingly
07-18-2019 , 03:04 AM
haha h2 is very familiar, stop reading my pgc rapid

h6 might be worse though. he can't even have AhXh

Last edited by tgiggity; 07-18-2019 at 03:13 AM.
07-18-2019 , 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by tgiggity
haha h2 is very familiar, stop reading my pgc rapid

h6 might be worse though. he can't even have AhXh
Yes, I think I made that play because I saw a similar hand in your thread and I thought "lol, the guy is so dumb", then made the same mistake -.-

Probably some subcobscious stuff going on, also some days ago I played a hand that I think I raised the river too thin vs a nitfish that got me thinking about those type of exploits. I think it's just too dangerous and legit bad strat to not raise as thin as you should.
07-18-2019 , 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by bbissick
Given description, I can get behind a river fold. But every other hand is pretty rough.

Would def be a bit mindful of some things you post regarding views on some players etc. Also if I was in your pool I would probably go nuts if I see you folding tptk on a dry board vs small sizing. I'm sure regs read this thread and adjust somewhat accordingly
I never fold TP otf vs anyone competent, tbh I actually overdefend vs raises otf on average. But there are too many nits/nitfish in the pool imo, can't let them get away with their underbluffs. Vs good regs I defend properly, just follow the pio defend ranges that I memorized and overfold on some specific rivers that I think even good regs will have trouble finding bluffs on.

If the more reasonable regs start overbluffing vs me, then I like it, my only fear would be that the nitfish and nit regs started going nuts vs me out of nowhere, it would hurt me quite a bit.

100z is a jungle and I've started making plays that I never thought could be good, like gazzyb style spewy hands that I laughed when I saw him doing, but in the end vs that extreme pool it's right. That stake is legit the craziest stake I've seen, everyone (besides the nits) is trying to outguess everyone and everyone gets more tilted in the process, which increase the amount of spewy plays on average by regs and it rewards spewier plays vs spewy people or nitty ranges vs spewy people.

There are some regs that I know study pio but they somehow throw away everything they studied just to follow their "sick read" that they have close to 0 evidence to back their play. And I'm not talking about big hands and spewy stuff, I'm talking about small hands too, like CO vs BB, SRP, I cbet, call on Q26r, x/x on 3r and the guy checks again with AQ on a 3 OTR just to trap "because rapid overfolds and overbluffs". They don't understant that if they are wrong, they will be overbluffing by like 95% after they bet and if I'm defending properly they are toasted.

I hope I get out of 100z soon, that stake is legit cancer and very bad for everyone's game, a lot of people get stuck in there because they are forced to play very bad strategies to win in there. And everything is harder for me, a brazilian, you guys don't know how hard it is for me to give up a bluff with decent blockers otr, my fingers and heart are always like "yeah, good blockers, vaaaaamooo", then I have to think a bit and realize that I'm playing vs someone with 2 brain cells that is already looking to snap me off lightly and is tilted as hell.

Last edited by Rapidesh123; 07-18-2019 at 07:59 AM.
07-18-2019 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123

There are some regs that I know study pio but they somehow throw away everything they studied just to follow their "sick read" that they have close to 0 evidence to back their play.
07-18-2019 , 11:42 AM
you’ve got a weird perception of nl100, think most of it are scenarios you’ve made up in your head and started believing it, or saw a few weird plays and made some incorrect conclusions off of em
07-18-2019 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by sirin
Wp sir haha

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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
you’ve got a weird perception of nl100, think most of it are scenarios you’ve made up in your head and started believing it, or saw a few weird plays and made some incorrect conclusions off of em
Maybe you are right, maybe it's variance, but the amount of spewy plays I see at 100z seem to happen way more often than in any other stake I played. Some **** I've seen at 100z I haven't seen since nl2 times, like regs calling 60bb bets otr with A high(and bad blockers), people calling with the nut worst bluffcatcher, 5 bet jams with garbage, 4-bet-call with AQ
07-18-2019 , 12:55 PM
I'm so confused though. You talk about seeing all these crazy things and then seem to make several 0% folds every day. Also your history with each player is probably pretty small given that it's zoom and a huge pool
07-18-2019 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by isunkurbttlship
I'm so confused though. You talk about seeing all these crazy things and then seem to make several 0% folds every day. Also your history with each player is probably pretty small given that it's zoom and a huge pool
How is 45hh and AQ vs the 9 vpip guy not a fold?

Some people underbluff like crazy and some overbluff, the more extreme the pool, more extreme we are incentivized to play. I've made a lot of sick calls in there this year too.
07-18-2019 , 02:40 PM
Hey Rapid, you seem to be a little tilted, judging from the last few posts. I can relate to it as I felt the same during all my 10nl shots, and after doing some cold analysis, I was completely wrong.

I have 0 experience at 100z, but your post implying the stake as a jungle, when lower stakes are far from it, doesn’t make a lot of sense, so you’re probably wrong and making assumptions while frustrated or mildly tilted.

So, I’d suggest calming down and doing a very big db review on these spots, vs these regs etc, and seeing if your theories are really accurate.
07-18-2019 , 04:52 PM
The other point is that its probably true that there are lots of people making weird, spewey plays and huge deviations in a large pool like 100nl, but you are undervaluing the fact that there are also many more who just aren't.

Your brain is far more likely to remember the weird plays than the standard plays, and if you don't adjust for this you end up thinking everyone is all over the place based on a small number of highly memorable instances.

Even if the regs at 100nl are a little more all over the place than at other stakes, there are still going to be far more people who are just playing reasonably ABC poker, and you need to plan your strategy around these.

It seemed like you were making great progress until recently, but you're sliding back into making wild assumptions.

Also, making assumptions which lead you to hero fold river is one thing, since those spots are often close anyway, but making huge folds compared to GTO vs one raise on the flop or whatever is never going to be good. When stacks are still deep folding a hand close to the top of your range to one c/r, or whatever, is just a nightmare if you're wrong, and only saves you a few BBs if you are right.

GL with it, I admire your heart and dedication to the game.
07-18-2019 , 06:33 PM
It sounds like you’re saying a couple different things but:

- If people are playing like nitfish and never bluffing, adjust accordingly
- If people are spazzing like crazy, adjust accordingly

There’s no such thing as being forced to play a bad strategy to win, the way games work is the better strategy will win, if people are going crazy constantly against you than you would just be able to tighten up and print, I don’t really understand what you’re saying there. Some ppl in the pool are maybe really agro but so what, you just have to either be patient or come up with a counter strategy, either way will make money if they’re constantly overbluffing

Talk soon man
07-18-2019 , 07:08 PM
I agree with the posts that say rapi does weird stuff and over adjusts a lot of the time/makes interesting assumptions, but I could see merit to folding a lot of these spots.
07-18-2019 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
I hope I get out of 100z soon, that stake is legit cancer and very bad for everyone's game, a lot of people get stuck in there because they are forced to play very bad strategies to win in there.
You are owning yourself so hard if you think this is true
07-18-2019 , 08:24 PM
U sure fold a lot

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07-19-2019 , 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123

I hope I get out of 100z soon, that stake is legit cancer and very bad for everyone's game, a lot of people get stuck in there because they are forced to play very bad strategies to win in there.
That is your problem! You are playing too good of a strategy to win
07-19-2019 , 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
I agree with the posts that say rapi does weird stuff and over adjusts a lot of the time/makes interesting assumptions, but I could see merit to folding a lot of these spots.
Didn't you coach him?
07-19-2019 , 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by SB1234
That is your problem! You are playing too good of a strategy to win
+1

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Originally Posted by SB1234
Didn't you coach him?
+1

Nothing like being forced to play a ''bad strategy'' to win. People spaz too much but we must also fold AQ to a raise on Q43. It's funny how that's a bad fold from either perspective. GTO or Explo it's a horrible fold.

I'd ask for a refund.

      
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