1. if you wont abuse peoples leaks at 200z then youre gonna get crushed even harder
2. noone is bluffing optimally at 200z
3. 200z regs will exploit your leaks waaay more
4. fish/reg ratio is worse, on its own offsetting the difference in rake paid imo

If you dont want to play 100z just because you get tilted instantly and you know you wont be able to play your A-game, then alright. But stop pretending like youll actually be able to play better vs 200z field, because thats not true.

Do you think 200z people underbluff on average?

And yeah, I said in my post that the mental issue is very strong, I had close to 12 failed shots at 100z. It's like on 25z, I have -2bb/100 in there over 270k hands. I look at my hands played back in 2013 and I was playing like a ****** in there

What even is your baseline when you say overbluffing or underbluffing. You havent even opened up a solver (until recently?) so how da fuq are you this supposed GTO wizard who knows all the optimal frequencies for every spot?

I used to make most calculations by hand: with a pot sized bet OTR I need 33% bluffs to give villain a breakeven call. If I raise the flop, bet turn with enough semibluffs I will get to the river with roughly 10-20 busted FD combos and 4-16 oesd (depends if I have offsuit combos in my range) and like 6-9 sets/6-27 2p combos. Also I made a lot of effort not to overdo gutshots otf/OTT to not get with many good bluff candidates OTR.

Before choosing my bluffs on a specific river I would just think about the best candidates and rank them in how I thought their blockers were best, respecting SDV ofc. I did that kind of work in a lot of boards. Ofc it's not as exact as pio but it's a decent approach.

I quickly realized by doing that the kind of boards that I had few natural bluffs and had to add some air balls ott to get to those rivers with more bluffs and turned sdv into bluffs too.

I've made even something similar to a pio sim using pokerstove and excel lol

Also I watched like 50 pio rio videos, so I had an idea of how pio played

What you know about 200z is zero. Admit youre not good at this
Game and attac one problem at time. Quit all the grandios ides. Fkn psycophat!

He doesn't know what he's talking about, he's just making it up as he goes along.

i'm new to the forum but i have been following this thread with interest.

@rapidesh: correct me if i'm wrong, but from what i have read here, you haven't managed to beat any stake including 10nl consistently and nontheless started playing 50z/100z. wouldn't it be a lot cheaper and less risky to work on your skills in the 5nlz or 10nlz pool until you can them?

Just read the thread, I beat nl2-nl16 and 50z for like 700k hands combined for 3bbev/100

How were you able to find nash equilibrium with excel?

I haven't, but the goal of doing that kind of work isn't in finding equilibrium.

And it wasn't excel only, pokerstove too

what's the goal of that kind of work then?

GOGO RAPID

To model how I was playing and find the weaknesses in my strat, which could be the same as some regs that used similar strats. Do you use nodelock on pio or just study equilibrium?

Haha, thanks!

But here we don't say "GOGO" we say this:

I was going to

both, I think nodelocking is a pretty risky way to study though

I understand this statement, but it is also the best way to study.

Don't get me wrong, 90-95% of my studies with pio so far were me studying equilibrium, trying to find the best sizings and simplifications. Atm I'm restricting myself to node lock only when I know exactly what I'm looking for, because things can get weird when you start messing too much and making huge assumptions or studying less relevant things like donkbetting for 100%+.

But imo for an advanced player, nodelocking is insane and should give the user a lot of answers of what is good or bad and why pio plays in the way it plays. Like in the sims I posted in the last page, there was a reason for pio to be range checking the river, after some assumptions (which were very natural and correlated to reality), it started playing differently.

I've treated nodelocking the same way I treated sensitivity analysis during the university when I learned operations research: we used to model a math problem, solve it with math then mess with the variables a bit to see what happened. As an example, if we have a function F = k1x+k2y+ k3z and we want to maximize F, when we solve it and find the optimal (x,y,z) =(1,2,3) and let's say x is the temperature, y is the pressure and z is the concentration of a substance, then it's a good idea to test how f would change if those variables changed. If changing x from 1 to 1.5 or 0.5 won't impact much on f, but if changing y from 2 to 2.2 or 1.8 f will have a great impact, then it makes sense to have better control systems for the pressure irl and don't care much about temperature.

what I'm saying is that when you node lock you make wild assumptions on how villain plays his range, it could be very far off the actual reality, whereas the equilibrium strategy without nodelocking is the one made from pre flop assumptions which are much closer to reality, I'm not saying people are playing anywhere close to GTO postflop but yeah be careful when attempting a line you figured out from nodelocking because you could be exploiting yourself

Yeah, the way I'm doing is by making small changes in pio's strats and looking at how it reacts, like not x back as many unpaired FDs OTT(and always semibluffing with those), making one player valuebet a little less thin than pio and looking at how pio reacts.

I also test some strategies to see how pio fights against that and try to see if it's trivial for my opponents to figure that out. If it keeps a decent amount of EV vs pio, simplifies my strat and population won't respond vs that well, then that's something worth looking into to implement in my game. Since in the worst case scenario it will lose a little of EV vs pio, but it has the potential to make money from villains misplays vs that.

I think that locking how a very aggressive opponent plays to try to exploit him to the maximum and to mimic it is a bad idea. We could be wrong and we don't need pio to find solutions for us vs that type of player anyway.

Sorry Rapid, VAMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Roll is at 1.9k, ran like aids tonight, 44 WWSF and 39 WSD =(
Volume this month will be low, meeting my friends a lot and my brother is here, also during christmas I think it will be hard to grind.

Some hands

H1: vs whale, wp or should I just never try to bluff him OTR?

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 199.16 BB
SB: 112.82 BB
BB: 62.82 BB
UTG: 134.62 BB
MP: 91.88 BB
Hero (CO): 136.3 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q K

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, BTN calls 9 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 6 BB

Flop: (28.5 BB, 3 players) 3 T A
UTG checks, Hero bets 7.04 BB, BTN raises to 14.08 BB, fold, Hero calls 7.04 BB

Turn: (56.66 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: (56.66 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero bets 40.36 BB, BTN calls 40.36 BB




H2: this is the kind of hand that I would have folded the river, vs unknown, but I like my new approach of calling some rivers, see some hands that I'll post soon where I called and it went decent

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 110.92 BB
SB: 100 BB
Hero (BB): 103.06 BB
UTG: 10.22 BB
MP: 122.54 BB
CO: 167.1 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 3 5

fold, MP raises to 2 BB, fold, BTN calls 2 BB, fold, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 3 players) 4 6 7
Hero checks, MP checks, BTN checks

Turn: (6.5 BB, 3 players) 7
Hero bets 4.64 BB, MP calls 4.64 BB, fold

River: (15.78 BB, 2 players) A
Hero bets 11.26 BB, MP raises to 34 BB, Hero calls 22.74 BB



H3: so obvious lol

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 78.94 BB
SB: 126.44 BB
Hero (BB): 109.44 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 96.32 BB
CO: 50.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 6

fold, fold, CO calls 1 BB, fold, SB calls 0.5 BB, Hero checks

Flop: (3 BB, 3 players) 3 6 K
SB checks, Hero bets 2.14 BB, CO calls 2.14 BB, SB raises to 4.28 BB, Hero calls 2.14 BB, CO raises to 12.12 BB, SB raises to 19.96 BB, fold, CO raises to 49.5 BB and is all-in, SB calls 29.54 BB

Turn: (106.28 BB, 2 players) 5

River: (106.28 BB, 2 players) T




H4: blockers are too good to call, vs fish, do you fold this? I folded because I've seen fish making this play with 2p

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 36.14 BB
BB: 314.66 BB
UTG: 93.5 BB
MP: 101.5 BB
CO: 100.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q Q

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 7 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 5 BB

Flop: (15.5 BB, 2 players) 7 4 T
UTG checks, Hero bets 7.66 BB, UTG calls 7.66 BB

Turn: (30.82 BB, 2 players) 9
UTG checks, Hero bets 15.22 BB, UTG calls 15.22 BB

River: (61.26 BB, 2 players) J
UTG bets 31 BB, fold

UTG wins 58.2 BB


H5: vaaaamoooo!

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 164.74 BB
SB: 37.58 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 175 BB
MP: 100.3 BB
Hero (CO): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K A

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, BTN calls 2.32 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (6.14 BB, 2 players) 9 5 4
Hero checks, BTN bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB

Turn: (12.14 BB, 2 players) J
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: (12.14 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, BTN bets 3 BB, Hero raises to 20.54 BB, fold

Hero wins 17.24 BB


H6: he snap called =( obv he can't fold, I've made some math on this one and I think I shouldn't bluff with many J8s/67s/78s, OTR anything that is weaker than Qx has 0 SDV, so I can choose my bluffs only by the quality of their blockers, so hands like that block villain's folding range, should bluff the river with JK(all 16 combos) and A4(2 combos) and will need to bluff a bit of 67. Will sim this one later, quite interested to see how thin pio valuebets the river. Was overbluffing in this one ofc, probably close to 45% OTR, which is very bad because I expect population to overfold the turn/flop. Learned this line on pio, I like it.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 416.42 BB
BB: 106.72 BB
UTG: 485.04 BB
MP: 105.84 BB
CO: 220.02 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 J

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, BB calls 1.32 BB

Flop: (5.14 BB, 2 players) 5 Q 9
BB checks, Hero bets 6.74 BB, BB calls 6.74 BB

Turn: (18.62 BB, 2 players) 2
BB checks, Hero bets 24.4 BB, BB calls 24.4 BB

River: (67.42 BB, 2 players) 4
BB checks, Hero bets 66.54 BB and is all-in, BB calls 66.54 BB




H7: vs unknown, after he just potted flop I thought he was a whale and wasn't folding AK/AQ ever, so just went for the jam, wp or should I call and let the other guy do his thing?

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 134.6 BB
SB: 62.96 BB
BB: 100 BB
Hero (UTG): 103.22 BB
MP: 114.16 BB
CO: 229.18 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J J

Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 1.82 BB, BB raises to 9.28 BB, Hero calls 6.96 BB, SB calls 6.96 BB

Flop: (27.84 BB, 3 players) 5 9 4
SB checks, BB bets 26 BB, Hero raises to 93.94 BB and is all-in, fold, BB calls 64.72 BB and is all-in

Turn: (209.28 BB, 2 players) 9

River: (209.28 BB, 2 players) 9




H8: checked the flop because that board hits the cold caller like crazy, some guys always do that **** with 99-JJ/AQ, so went for the check with a lot of my range in there, easy fold, right?

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 123.14 BB
SB: 115.66 BB
BB: 106.48 BB
UTG: 97.44 BB
Hero (MP): 119.54 BB
CO: 150.98 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q Q

UTG raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 8.5 BB, fold, UTG calls 6 BB

Flop: (28 BB, 3 players) T J 7
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: (28 BB, 3 players) 3
SB bets 13.3 BB, UTG raises to 28 BB, fold, fold

UTG wins 51.88 BB


H9: should check a lot OTT with my range, but not going anywhere with this combo lol. Not sure if this is gto, will check what pio barrels the turn in there and if it valuebets AA/KK too.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 112 BB
Hero (SB): 163.64 BB
BB: 321.82 BB
UTG: 119.56 BB
MP: 97.74 BB
CO: 105.98 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K J

fold, MP raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, MP calls 7 BB

Flop: (19 BB, 2 players) 2 7 Q
Hero bets 4.7 BB, MP calls 4.7 BB

Turn: (28.4 BB, 2 players) T
Hero bets 20.24 BB, MP calls 20.24 BB

River: (68.88 BB, 2 players) T
Hero bets 129.7 BB and is all-in, MP calls 63.8 BB and is all-in



H10: gotta go for the vamo sometimes haha! vaaaaaamoo!

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 147.28 BB
SB: 100.94 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 48.68 BB
MP: 98.5 BB
CO: 92.96 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 4

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, BB calls 1.32 BB

Flop: (5.14 BB, 2 players) 2 J 5
BB checks, Hero bets 1.26 BB, BB raises to 6.14 BB, Hero raises to 17 BB, BB calls 10.86 BB

Turn: (39.14 BB, 2 players) 6
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (39.14 BB, 2 players) 4
BB checks, Hero checks



H11: almost folded this, vs nit, but I remembered brokenstars saying "don't fold" lol, I was missing so much EV in those spots, even with the chops. It's a very weird spot because I expect villain's sets/2p to raise flop a lot, so I don't know wtf he could have. But some trappy nits love to just x/c x/c with their sets

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 129.32 BB
SB: 100 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 104.12 BB
Hero (MP): 111.9 BB
CO: 99.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q A

fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, CO calls 2.32 BB, fold, SB calls 1.82 BB, BB calls 1.32 BB

Flop: (9.28 BB, 4 players) Q A 5
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 2.3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.3 BB, fold

Turn: (13.88 BB, 2 players) 2
SB checks, Hero bets 9.88 BB, SB calls 9.88 BB

River: (33.64 BB, 2 players) 9
SB checks, Hero bets 23.98 BB, SB raises to 85.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 61.52 BB



H12: vs unknown, used to be a pussy and fold this, lol. I had 0 clue on playing whales

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB
SB: 48.2 BB
Hero (BB): 106.1 BB
UTG: 238.32 BB
MP: 97.6 BB
CO: 96.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 4

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 3 J 9
Hero checks, CO bets 4 BB, Hero raises to 14 BB, CO raises to 93.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 79.5 BB

H1 seems pretty terrible, it's mw and he's not folding Ax and he's not even capped as a whale, and you got sdv maybe

AQ pretty easy fold , not sure how do you expect to ever call and win

his raise is also attrocious , but yeh you found best case scenario

I used to snap fold in that spot all day, then people started telling me to quit folding strong hands.

Now you say folding is good. I dont know what to do anymore -.-