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03-03-2017 , 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Grats on the $10k+ month!!!! I'm very happy for you but I also ***** hate you and want to tie you up by your ankles and drag you behind my car at 5 mph cuz I jelly.
03-03-2017 , 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
It's a post (not a limp). I'm isoing probably 50% of hands. Should be standard.
IK it's a post. Still seems very wide. Q for theory side of things, if you're isoing this wide, in theory do you RFI a wider or narrower range here?
03-03-2017 , 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by meale
IK it's a post. Still seems very wide. Q for theory side of things, if you're isoing this wide, in theory do you RFI a wider or narrower range here?
It is very wide, yeah, but it's also somewhat exploitative. I open the CO right around 30% to begin with which is pretty boarder-line.

Theory Q, you should definitely increase your RFI imo the more dead money there is. If there was $1,000,000 dead money we would just shove our $100 stack with everything right? That's an extreme, and obviously there are other considerations to make (having to fold to 3bets for example and the cost of opening too wide as a function of that). But, I'd say it's pretty clear with more dead money in the pot we have more incentive to raise and just take it down. People should be defending BB/other positions wider as well because they can get a % of that dead money.

Exploitatively in the past people squeezed a ton like when CO open BTN flat called -- even today this is getting exploited in smaller stakes, so that's kind of similar also.

That being said.... There are a couple other things to state.

#1 post is likely from a weak player (and it was, he was horrible and I took all his money)

#2 people suck at adjusting, so it's less likely the players behind notice my wider-than-normal opening and exploit me

#3 people just don't 3-bet even close to enough as it is.

So, yeah, it's very wide, but it's a strong exploitative adjustment and if I'd hazard a guess I'm making considerable gains in this spot with most hands.
03-03-2017 , 06:31 AM
Good post. 50% is a terrible standard ISO % with 4 players left to act, but if you think it will work given population and player reads you should certainly go for it.
03-03-2017 , 06:45 AM
Yeah, I feel like 50% is also too wide given we have pretty low steal success when we do this (i.e. we get called almost always by at least the poster or 3b/CC/Sq by someone else). And then we go postflop with K6o. But if table's on the tighter side, like BTN+blinds are pretty nitty, it's probably pretty good ye.

Good post.

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Not his post, yours.
03-03-2017 , 06:51 AM
k6o is def not plus ev
03-03-2017 , 08:45 AM
Guess I'm a fish on a heater.
03-03-2017 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
"ILL TIE YOUR ANKLES UP AND DRAG YOU BEHIND MY CAR GOING 5MPH"
Haha! This should become the new "Die in a grease fire" imo.
03-03-2017 , 09:22 AM
Such serious angst over such a small pot.

As he was typing all the obscenities he was probably saying out loud, "nice hand".
03-03-2017 , 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by meale
Yeah, I feel like 50% is also too wide given we have pretty low steal success when we do this (i.e. we get called almost always by at least the poster or 3b/CC/Sq by someone else). And then we go postflop with K6o. But if table's on the tighter side, like BTN+blinds are pretty nitty, it's probably pretty good ye.

Good post.

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Originally Posted by max85
k6o is def not plus ev
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Guess I'm a fish on a heater.
I'm pretty confident it's a +EV iso, but until I get a bigger database I won't be able to prove it.

At the very least, if players are bad enough any two cards become profitable -- you'd at least agree with that right? At the absolute extremes every hand is +EV
03-03-2017 , 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
I will likely be streaming Fri/Sat/Sun (3rd/4th/5th) from something like 9PM to 2AM this weekend for advertising/marketing purposes for coaching.
Reminder that I'll be streaming in about 13 hours from this post!
03-03-2017 , 12:59 PM
I'd like to chime in that I think the K6o is borderline but it's profitability really depends on the table.

Have you noticed playing 200/400 your iso's getting 3bet more etc.? Any game flow changes since starting to move up
03-03-2017 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
At the very least, if players are bad enough any two cards become profitable -- you'd at least agree with that right? At the absolute extremes every hand is +EV
I don't think a game has ever existed where atc is profitable.. Like even the nut worst poker player probably has an edge over you if you're playing ATC. I'd only see it being profitable if they were deliberately trying to lose.
03-03-2017 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by meale
I don't think a game has ever existed where atc is profitable.. Like even the nut worst poker player probably has an edge over you if you're playing ATC. I'd only see it being profitable if they were deliberately trying to lose.
Button opens 55%, but folds to 3bet 75% of the time. 3betting ATC is profitable in this situation and a lot of players up to even 100NL have these leaks. Additionally if this player limp calls and then folds 60% to cbet, you're printing
03-03-2017 , 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bbissick
I'd like to chime in that I think the K6o is borderline but it's profitability really depends on the table.

Have you noticed playing 200/400 your iso's getting 3bet more etc.? Any game flow changes since starting to move up
Haven't played much hands to make a statement on that. The regs are a little better I guess.

Will be starting stream soon!

https://www.twitch.tv/brokenstars666
03-04-2017 , 01:26 AM
lol, this is an example of why the k6o hand is +EV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8vI...outu.be&t=1m4s
03-04-2017 , 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
lol, this is an example of why the k6o hand is +EV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8vI...outu.be&t=1m4s
wtf does this have to do with K6o? All I see is a video of Blackrain showing a cheeseburger stake cooler straight over straight.
03-04-2017 , 02:26 AM
Yeah pretty terrible example imo. KQo is not K6o.
03-04-2017 , 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by meale
Yeah pretty terrible example imo. KQo is not K6o.
Give me napkins and I'll play them as cards.
03-04-2017 , 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Sil3ntness
wtf does this have to do with K6o? All I see is a video of Blackrain showing a cheeseburger stake cooler straight over straight.
if you think calling a 10x overshove with a lower straight in a 1-to-straight board is a cooler, then you're nuts lol

and bad players are bad while playing with 2 cent chips or 1k chips, in the worst case scenario, the more you get involved with the fish, more emotional they become and donate stacks faster.
03-04-2017 , 02:41 AM
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if you think calling a 10x overshove with a lower straight in a 1-to-straight board is a cooler, then you're nuts lol
The obvious difference is that KQ can actually make dominating straights whereas K6 can't?
03-04-2017 , 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Haven't played much hands to make a statement on that. The regs are a little better I guess.

Will be starting stream soon!

https://www.twitch.tv/brokenstars666
Damn turned on the stream and saw you get coolered on the river flush vs flush.

Unlucky
03-04-2017 , 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by meale
The obvious difference is that KQ can actually make dominating straights whereas K6 can't?
Any hand can make a straight/2-pair/trips

Spoiler:
PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 104.9 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 60.2 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
Hero (BB): 111.3 BB
UTG: 137.2 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
MP: 73.7 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
CO: 167.8 BB (VPIP: 7.89, PFR: 5.26, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 77)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2 9

fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 1 BB, fold, Hero checks

Flop: (2.5 BB, 2 players) 8 J T
Hero checks, BTN bets 1 BB, Hero raises to 5 BB, BTN calls 4 BB

Turn: (12.5 BB, 2 players) J
Hero checks, BTN bets 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

River: (14.5 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero bets 10.3 BB, BTN raises to 50 BB, Hero calls 39.7 BB

BTN shows A A (Two Pair, Aces and Jacks)
(Pre 83%, Flop 69%, Turn 82%)
Hero shows 2 9 (Straight, Queen High)
(Pre 17%, Flop 31%, Turn 18%)
Hero wins 109.3 BB


Spoiler:
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 20 BB (VPIP: 29.41, PFR: 14.71, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 34)
SB: 114.68 BB (VPIP: 26.32, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 59)
Hero (BB): 127.28 BB
UTG: 73.64 BB (VPIP: -, PFR: -, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP: 164.92 BB (VPIP: 21.20, PFR: 16.52, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 1,943)
CO: 412.72 BB (VPIP: 29.45, PFR: 25.21, 3Bet Preflop: 9.49, Hands: 484)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T Q

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero checks

Flop: (2.4 BB, 2 players) T Q 8
Hero bets 20 BB, UTG calls 20 BB

Turn: (42.4 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero bets 80 BB, UTG calls 52.64 BB and is all-in

River: (147.68 BB, 2 players) 9

Hero shows T Q (Two Pair, Queens and Tens)
(Pre 72%, Flop 79%, Turn 91%)
UTG shows T 9 (Two Pair, Tens and Nines)
(Pre 28%, Flop 21%, Turn 9%)
Hero wins 141.04 BB



Sometimes you don't even need 2-pair, 8 high is strong enough for a valuebet lol

Spoiler:
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 61.04 BB (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
SB: 100 BB
BB: 101 BB (VPIP: 22.69, PFR: 19.33, 3Bet Preflop: 10.87, Hands: 123)
Hero (UTG): 118.68 BB
MP: 103.4 BB (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 21.05, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
CO: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 22.06, PFR: 17.24, 3Bet Preflop: 7.83, Hands: 1,232)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 8 2

Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 2.32 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (6.04 BB, 2 players) 7 6 7
Hero bets 2.96 BB, BTN calls 2.96 BB

Turn: (11.96 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero bets 3.76 BB, BTN calls 3.76 BB

River: (19.48 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero bets 6.16 BB, BTN calls 6.16 BB

Hero shows 8 2 (Two Pair, Sevens and Sixes)
(Pre 30%, Flop 26%, Turn 25%)
BTN mucks 5 5 (Two Pair, Sevens and Sixes)
(Pre 70%, Flop 74%, Turn 75%)
Hero wins 30.36 BB
03-04-2017 , 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Sil3ntness
Damn turned on the stream and saw you get coolered on the river flush vs flush.

Unlucky
wasn't a great spot once he shipped, but yh
03-04-2017 , 04:04 AM
5 hours grind

-$270 or so.

Few coolers and not much value, so very happy with result!

      
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