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11-11-2018 , 11:26 PM
lolz
11-11-2018 , 11:32 PM
Time meaning that you are dedicating time to watching videos to the extent you can cherry pick spew. Which is odd, if you think he is bad.

I know he is quite good and I can only find time to watch a session once every few weeks.
11-11-2018 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mzbourg
Check turn, but when you do bet, fold vs the shove. Folding vs the shove is a high freq play btw.

You're welcome.
You're a genius. Thanks.
11-11-2018 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Time meaning that you are dedicating time to watching videos to the extent you can cherry pick spew. Which is odd, if you think he is bad.

I know he is quite good and I can only find time to watch a session once every few weeks.
How **** is your life?


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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
You're a genius. Thanks.
Saltboy
11-11-2018 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mzbourg
Saltboy
no u
11-12-2018 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by upswinging
Among other things, your wr relies on being as deep as possible (which you frequently are), and using what you've learned and memorized from pio to better navigate deep stacked pots better than anyone else in the pool. tbh it doesn't matter where your edge comes from, it's obvious you have a quantifiable edge against the current player pool. It's a big edge that will relatively quickly will be reduced to nothing, just like every other strat/ exploit that came before it.

Right now you're taking that edge and gambling on it through playing increasingly higher stakes. What you fail to keep account of is that your big edge has a short time to live. So things could possibly go south playing high stakes, your edge could vanish in the meantime and now you can't grind low stakes with the wr you had earlier.

The game evolves and and incredibly small amount of pros have been able to evolve with it. The strategies you're implementing now are clearly crushing the pool but you continue to play laughably low volume as your edge decreases as time goes on. Maybe you should take Avaritas advice.
Do you realize that pio doesn't just magically spit out solutions to you? The reason many regs fell by the wayside over the years is because they didn't know how to properly study and adapt. They had just copied or learned a certain style and it worked til it didn't. The regs who are working with PIO and all these newer tools are much better equipped to continue getting better and adapting than the regs that came before them. Over time their edge will still shrink but a big part of that is more likely to come from rake increases/less fish/botting/etc. Not from being incapable of adapting their current strategy over time.

He's grinding 500nl with a bit of 1knl. Where exactly is he irresponsibly playing high stakes? You act like him grinding 500nl zoom on a soft site is the same as if he were to go battle 5knl on stars or something. He clearly has an edge and the game runs often enough that he can get decent volume where it's worth the bigger swings for the higher ev hourly.

His volume is pretty meh and that's the only thing you said that makes any sense. He's an adult and is capable of choosing for himself how much he works though lol.
11-12-2018 , 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by TheTyman9
He's an adult and is capable of choosing for himself how much he works though lol.
It's almost as if Broker's goals don't align with others' .
11-12-2018 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
Broken I'm surprised how defensive you are.


Talk so much **** then act surprised when he feeds it back. Lol haters gonna hate


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11-12-2018 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by TheTyman9
Do you realize that pio doesn't just magically spit out solutions to you? The reason many regs fell by the wayside over the years is because they didn't know how to properly study and adapt. They had just copied or learned a certain style and it worked til it didn't. The regs who are working with PIO and all these newer tools are much better equipped to continue getting better and adapting than the regs that came before them. Over time their edge will still shrink but a big part of that is more likely to come from rake increases/less fish/botting/etc. Not from being incapable of adapting their current strategy over time.

He's grinding 500nl with a bit of 1knl. Where exactly is he irresponsibly playing high stakes? You act like him grinding 500nl zoom on a soft site is the same as if he were to go battle 5knl on stars or something. He clearly has an edge and the game runs often enough that he can get decent volume where it's worth the bigger swings for the higher ev hourly.

His volume is pretty meh and that's the only thing you said that makes any sense. He's an adult and is capable of choosing for himself how much he works though lol.
Do you realize that proves whatever special edge he currently has vs the pool is shrinking by the day thanks to the software? Any serious reg owns some version of it. Its true that in order to realize the softwares true power you have to know what to input and also which outputs actually matter irt your game and your pool.

There are at least multiple grinders in the pool who are trying to analyze why and how broken crushes. It's a simply a matter of time before one or multiple regs can do it better and then the edge begins to erode and variance goes up.

Why work so hard on your game and arguably be the best player in your pool only to put in low volume. It doesn't make any sense if he's concerned with making money/ building a roll as quickly and easily as possible.
11-12-2018 , 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by upswinging
Do you realize that proves whatever special edge he currently has vs the pool is shrinking by the day
My "special edge" is sun running and it's never going to erode.

Spoiler:
fingers crossed
11-12-2018 , 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Mzbourg
How **** is your life?
I guess I’d say it’s somewhere in between crushing $500z at the top end and scouring videos to cherry pick a weird hand and troll a thread on the internet on the bottom end.

So can’t complain really.
11-12-2018 , 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by upswinging
Do you realize that proves whatever special edge he currently has vs the pool is shrinking by the day thanks to the software? Any serious reg owns some version of it. Its true that in order to realize the softwares true power you have to know what to input and also which outputs actually matter irt your game and your pool.

There are at least multiple grinders in the pool who are trying to analyze why and how broken crushes. It's a simply a matter of time before one or multiple regs can do it better and then the edge begins to erode and variance goes up.

Why work so hard on your game and arguably be the best player in your pool only to put in low volume. It doesn't make any sense if he's concerned with making money/ building a roll as quickly and easily as possible.
Not to take away anything from broken as he's obv very good, but it's not like he has some special edge like you call it. He's def one of the bigger winners in the game, maybe even the best who knows, but it's not like there aren't other people also crushing ignition. Yes games have gotten tougher, will prob continue to get tougher, and rake will prob continue to rise. I think everyone with eyes agrees that poker is generally in a downward trend. I'm not sure what your point is with this though? If you agree he's got a big edge in the games than it's weird to think he shouldn't play 500nl/1knl when the games run often enough that you can get in plenty of volume over the year to lessen the impact of variance. If your point is mostly that it's silly that he grinds so little, I guess I agree that he probably "should" grind more but who are you or me or anyone else to tell him he HAS to grind more? Do you think he actually doesn't realize that over time games are getting tougher and there's an opportunity cost to not putting time in at the tables now? He just got out of a soul crushing job a few months ago and I imagine is taking it easier volume wise because he was already burnt out from his previous hellish job and his recent good results have allowed him to feel he can take more breathers if he is inclined to. He is allowed to make this trade off.
11-12-2018 , 02:56 AM
Lost a small amt yesterday. Played a lot and kinda ran meh. Not good/bad or anything. Made a couple mistakes too.

Today lost reasonable amount, about 5bi @ 500z. Ran like trash entire time though. Games were fantastic, so on the bright side I lost most of my $ to the whales.

Be back tuesday prolly
11-12-2018 , 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by upswinging
Among other things, your wr relies on being as deep as possible (which you frequently are), and using what you've learned and memorized from pio to better navigate deep stacked pots better than anyone else in the pool. tbh it doesn't matter where your edge comes from, it's obvious you have a quantifiable edge against the current player pool. It's a big edge that will relatively quickly will be reduced to nothing, just like every other strat/ exploit that came before it.

Right now you're taking that edge and gambling on it through playing increasingly higher stakes. What you fail to keep account of is that your big edge has a short time to live. So things could possibly go south playing high stakes, your edge could vanish in the meantime and now you can't grind low stakes with the wr you had earlier.

The game evolves and and incredibly small amount of pros have been able to evolve with it. The strategies you're implementing now are clearly crushing the pool but you continue to play laughably low volume as your edge decreases as time goes on. Maybe you should take Avaritas advice.
I think the rapid decline in edge is an understatement. Broken has used PIO for what maybe a year now? PIO has been out for years but people are still relatively bad at poker cause the majority are lazy when it comes to any form of off table work

Play the high stuff as long as it's EV and you make sure you don't lose enough where you have to drop down a stake (I learned this the hard way) and print away
11-12-2018 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
My "special edge" is sun running and it's never going to erode.

Spoiler:
fingers crossed
11-12-2018 , 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by upswinging
There are at least multiple grinders in the pool who are trying to analyze why and how broken crushes. It's a simply a matter of time before one or multiple regs can do it better and then the edge begins to erode and variance goes up.
Most of your posts seem pretty stupid, but this is a good point that I think some streamers might underappreciate.

Id guess you can get away with pretty wild **** at anon games, and thats the type of stuff you certainly don't want to show ppl. Even if couple of regs catch up on that I think it will affect your bottom line greatly over the long term.


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Originally Posted by bbissick
I think the rapid decline in edge is an understatement. Broken has used PIO for what maybe a year now? PIO has been out for years but people are still relatively bad at poker cause the majority are lazy when it comes to any form of off table work

This. Most ppl are just too lazy to study properly. I'm way more scared of bots getting widespread than actual ppl getting better decreasing my edge.
11-12-2018 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by doctor877
Most of your posts seem pretty stupid, but this is a good point that I think some streamers might underappreciate.

Id guess you can get away with pretty wild **** at anon games, and thats the type of stuff you certainly don't want to show ppl. Even if couple of regs catch up on that I think it will affect your bottom line greatly over the long term.





This. Most ppl are just too lazy to study properly. I'm way more scared of bots getting widespread than actual ppl getting better decreasing my edge.
Your story is almost more incredible than brokens imo. But please don't let your ego get in the way of the fact that you would be agreeing with every word if you had had different results on your own journey. Ego, emotions and energy/ feel good etc can all be incredibly powerful and blind you from the truth.

At least you have the decency to admit when I make sense from your pov. I could say 2+2=4 and tyman would try to find a way to disagree with me. I've opened his eyes to reality of what happens when poker pros fail and he hates me for it. Fine.

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Originally Posted by bbissick
I think the rapid decline in edge is an understatement. Broken has used PIO for what maybe a year now? PIO has been out for years but people are still relatively bad at poker cause the majority are lazy when it comes to any form of off table work

Play the high stuff as long as it's EV and you make sure you don't lose enough where you have to drop down a stake (I learned this the hard way) and print away
You either get better or you stop playing poker to make money. That has always been the rule. The weak regs of today are several magnitudes greater than than the best regs 10 years ago. PIO is no different than any other cutting edge tech that came before it (i.e. A HUD). It's simply a matter of time before everyone adopts it / uses it in their baseline strat. The scary part is it could only a couple regs to supersede you and then your edge is gone.

Training videos and coaches are so bad because they've mastered how to take "complex" strategies and keep breaking it down and reworking it and repeating it to all their monthly subs and students etc until it sinks in. That's exactly how the mainstream adoption of new strat has always worked. And again that's why the weak regs of today are more skilled than the best regs of 10 years ago.

Last edited by upswinging; 11-12-2018 at 03:04 PM.
11-12-2018 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TheTyman9
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Weren't you advocating the importance of low stress and other mental health / quality of life concerns that pros need to consider and take advantage of?

Broken just whined about a 10bi swing play lol zone. That's the sign of someone that lacks the mental game playing 500z and here you and others are encouraging him to take shots at 1k and 2k and to play there asap. What was that again about low stress and mental health that I can dig up in your posts? Come on dude you know this is bad idea and broken should put in volume and crush lower until his mental game can withstand the crushing swings that occur at high stakes.

This looks more like you choosing the opposite of an argument because you don't like me. I thought you were better than that.

Last edited by upswinging; 11-12-2018 at 03:51 PM.
11-12-2018 , 04:25 PM
Dude, shut the **** up. No one is "whining" or anything. I updated that I had lost 10 bi. Now get out of my thread. Obviously 10 bi is standard, now piss off.
11-12-2018 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by upswinging
Weren't you advocating the importance of low stress and other mental health / quality of life concerns that pros need to consider and take advantage of?

Broken just whined about a 10bi swing play lol zone. That's the sign of someone that lacks the mental game playing 500z and here you and others are encouraging him to take shots at 1k and 2k and to play there asap. What was that again about low stress and mental health that I can dig up in your posts? Come on dude you know this is bad idea and broken should put in volume and crush lower until his mental game can withstand the crushing swings that occur at high stakes.

This looks more like you choosing the opposite of an argument because you don't like me. I thought you were better than that.
It's amazing how you've created this narrative in your head where you are saying all these correct things and big bad tyman disagrees with you because he's a big meanie who doesn't want to accept being a poker pro is dumb and evil. The few rare times you have said something correct, including in the post you quoted of mine, I have agreed with that part of your post. I agreed that in my opinion he should be putting in more volume. But what you don't get is that my opinion (or your opinion) on how much volume he should play is meaningless. He is an adult who will decide for himself and then live with whatever comes from his choices, just like the rest of us.

lol dude it's like you don't even read before you write this stuff up. I never encouraged him to play bigger games. I just disagreed with you that he's making a stupid decision if he chooses to. Your reasons for why he shouldn't play any bigger than 200nl made no sense. The fact that he was mildly annoyed after a 10bi losing session at 500nl doesn't mean he had a mental breakdown and can't handle the variance. I'm sure if you look back there were plenty of the same kind of posts when he had a really rough day grinding 200nl.

I don't even not like you. I don't know you personally at all. You just happen to write a lot of posts where there will be some small part that is true and makes sense mixed in with a lot of stuff that makes no sense.

I will say this clearly for you one last time so you hopefully don't become confused again. I agree with you that he would be better off putting in more volume. I agree that people should only play as high stakes as is reasonable for their bankroll and mental game. And as I've told you before I even agree that it's a bad idea for anyone to become a poker pro in 2018. It's all the other stuff you post about that I and many other disagree with.
11-12-2018 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by upswinging
Your story is almost more incredible than brokens imo. But please don't let your ego get in the way of the fact that you would be agreeing with every word if you had had different results on your own journey. Ego, emotions and energy/ feel good etc can all be incredibly powerful and blind you from the truth.

At least you have the decency to admit when I make sense from your pov. I could say 2+2=4 and tyman would try to find a way to disagree with me. I've opened his eyes to reality of what happens when poker pros fail and he hates me for it. Fine.



You either get better or you stop playing poker to make money. That has always been the rule. The weak regs of today are several magnitudes greater than than the best regs 10 years ago. PIO is no different than any other cutting edge tech that came before it (i.e. A HUD). It's simply a matter of time before everyone adopts it / uses it in their baseline strat. The scary part is it could only a couple regs to supersede you and then your edge is gone.

Training videos and coaches are so bad because they've mastered how to take "complex" strategies and keep breaking it down and reworking it and repeating it to all their monthly subs and students etc until it sinks in. That's exactly how the mainstream adoption of new strat has always worked. And again that's why the weak regs of today are more skilled than the best regs of 10 years ago.
Lol, if aejones and galfond came back to poker, with only one week of study in how people are playing today they would absolutely crush the small stakes.
11-12-2018 , 07:06 PM
nice troll guys the sincerity is a nice touch
11-14-2018 , 01:28 PM
I'm around breakeven on the month unfortunately so I think the 100k year (with solely poker profits) is getting pretty close to unachievable at this point. Games have been ridiculously good in my opinion though. Unfortunately been somewhat unlucky with my bluffs/value thus far this month (standard variance before 10 people say I'm complaining or something).

Game play has been kind of sub par. My mentality lately playing hasn't been great. I've felt a sort of impatience when I play I don't usually get and I'm not sure why. Just been a bit anxious/slightly annoyed feeling last couple weeks. Not specifically talking about poker but just in general. Not sure why, but it definitely hinders the thought process/decision making for poker.

I'm confident that rest of november/december is going to be very soft games and likely softer than what it was during summer so will keep plugging away and hope to have some big days soon.
11-14-2018 , 01:36 PM
Do you have long term plan for career?

Market will have a significant correction in the next 24 months and then (and even prior) it will be very difficult to re-enter.
11-14-2018 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Do you have long term plan for career?

Market will have a significant correction in the next 24 months and then (and even prior) it will be very difficult to re-enter.
I don't have a specific plan with regards to that, no. I do have an engineering degree, though, so even in the worst case scenario there are a large number of entry-level jobs that I'd qualify for even if they are not specific to my degree (materials engineering) and likely still be able to get even with a 1-2yr gap on my resume.

I'm not sure what I want to do, but I'm content enough with trying poker for a while yet.

      
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