I think your 3bet % and likely your "spew factor" is a bit too high.... Reduce the hands you get into post flop by reducing you 3b %, down from 14% to something like 10-12 I think will help you without really changing much.

Middling suited connectors OOP in 3bp don't really perform well, so that 98hh hand vs the CO open I'd recommend defaulting to just fold that with no information and only 3b if the CO player is overfolding to 3b (f3b > 55%+ or something as IP).

As for the x/j on the turn with 98hh, I think you'll typically find that on turns like this the guy who called the 3b in position is going to be checking here fairly often and I don't really think it's going to be overbluffed and the amt you're risking is kind of high compared to what you stand to gain. I also think that x/j ott isn't really warranted with much of any of your range as its run out 4card rainbow and there isn't much for draws so any strong hands in your range don't really benefit from equity protection/denial.

Yes, oop player should be checking both flop and turn at high frequencies.... and because this turn card is legit the best possible for your range I'd suggest barreling there with some 0 equity hands.

+1 to all this.

I think you need to sort out your preflop game from all positions, 3/4/5b ranges, call ranges etc. Probably the easiest way to gain bb/100 to your game right now.

Thanks Broken, why can't I just be as good as you? It's so easyyyyy, not.

Would you rather 3bet a hand like 65s over 98s? Or should I just be folding all middling suited connectors OOP?

Yeah I think you are right about the 98hh shove, he shouldn't be betting very often there OTT. I think I overthought the hand and put him on a float, which would make a call better than a shove but I spazzed out and shipped it.

This is my worst "downswing" to date, I had a few 10 BI downswings over the 73k hands at 25NL but this 18 one takes the cake.

Every time I think I am reaching a new level in poker I just get smacked back down, oh well I hope 3rd time is a charm when it comes to 50NL.

Back to the lab.

at 25NL - i think population over folds to 4bets so I was ramping up aggression pretty hard there, especially IP.

What frequency should I be 3betting a hand like 65s in the SB to a CO open? Like less than half the time? (Assume Anonymous and Hudless environment)

Rarely, low suited connectors not as valuable as you think. Not in this specific example but you could work in 25% of 78s combos in some spots so you can have a wider range but the same 3b % in some spots.

Low - mid sc OOP basically aren't going to gain you any EV in a vaccuum.... In a balanced pseudo GTO range you might have them at very low frequencies for range purposes like lets say 10-25% of 54s-78s or something, but unless your opponent has perfect vision over your range and is ramping up aggression on specific runouts it's not going to matter at all and you're much better off just not ever playing them...

So OOP especially vs the CO in SB I don't think you should ever 3b 54s-98s without a specific reason (huge whale, lots of postflop leaks, folds to 3b way too much etc.)

So again, I'll reiterate, you shouldn't 3b a hand like 65s in SB vs CO without a specific reason.

Thanks for the responses, it's always nice when better players chime in to clarify some concepts or plays I am fuzzy on.

Well I went and bought GTO+ this morning and I am having fun playing around with it. I'm probably not using it correctly but if I figure out some concepts I think are interesting I will post them here.

Meanwhile, back to the 25NL Streets. And another losing session in the books.

A few hands I am unsure of so I'll post them here: Feel free to chime in - if not it's cool I'll just talk to myself.


HH#1

I've been trying to recognize range cbet spots, I don't think this is one?

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $0.25(BB)
SB ($15.66) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HERO ($24.95) [VPIP: 24.1% | PFR: 20.9% | AGG: 32.8% | 3-Bet: 14.4% | Hands: 93350]
UTG ($24.31) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HJ ($15.72) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
CO ($12.31) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 100% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
BTN ($32.64) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 100% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]

Dealt to Hero: K K

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.50, BTN Calls $0.50, SB Folds, HERO Raises To $2.50, CO Folds, BTN Calls $2

Hero SPR on Flop: [4.01 effective]
Flop ($5.60): 4 A 2
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $3 (Rem. Stack: 27.14), HERO Calls $3 (Rem. Stack: 19.45)

Turn ($11.60): 4 A 2 4
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $7 (Rem. Stack: 20.14), HERO Calls $7 (Rem. Stack: 12.45)

River ($25.60): 4 A 2 4 7
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $9 (Rem. Stack: 11.14), HERO Calls $9 (Rem. Stack: 3.45)



HH#2

Pretty cool hand, I can have KK/JJ and he can't. Plus I block his 88 combos, thoughts?

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $0.25(BB)
BTN ($23.74) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 33.3% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
SB ($25.55) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
BB ($40.51) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HERO ($35.35) [VPIP: 24.1% | PFR: 20.9% | AGG: 32.8% | 3-Bet: 14.4% | Hands: 93350]
HJ ($10.35) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
CO ($29.42) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]

Dealt to Hero: 8 7

HERO Raises To $0.60, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Calls $0.60, SB Calls $0.50, BB Folds

Hero SPR on Flop: [11.29 effective]
Flop ($2.05): 3 K 8
SB Checks, HERO Bets $1.02 (Rem. Stack: 33.73), BTN Calls $1.02 (Rem. Stack: 22.12), SB Folds

Turn ($4.09): 3 K 8 2
HERO Checks, BTN Checks

River ($4.09): 3 K 8 2 J
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $3.04 (Rem. Stack: 19.08), HERO Raises To $33.73 (allin), BTN Calls $19.08 (allin)



HH#3

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $0.25(BB)
BB ($14.47) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 66.7% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HERO ($25.1) [VPIP: 24.1% | PFR: 20.9% | AGG: 32.8% | 3-Bet: 14.4% | Hands: 93350]
HJ ($24.87) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
CO ($17.55) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
BTN ($32.86) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
SB ($24.65) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]

Dealt to Hero: Q A

HERO Raises To $0.60, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Calls $0.35

Hero SPR on Flop: [10.67 effective]
Flop ($1.30): K J T
BB Checks, HERO Bets $0.40 (Rem. Stack: 24.1), BB Calls $0.40 (Rem. Stack: 13.47)

Turn ($2.10): K J T 4
BB Checks, HERO Bets $1.05 (Rem. Stack: 23.05), BB Raises To $3.85 (Rem. Stack: 9.62), HERO Calls $2.80 (Rem. Stack: 20.25)

River ($9.80): K J T 4 7
BB Bets $9.62 (allin), HERO Calls $9.62 (Rem. Stack: 10.63)

H1 I sigh fold turn. River is so weird, I probably close my eyes and call, too, AP.

H2 I x flop, probably fold river AP. You don't need to win every hand you play.

H3 is eh. Maybe bet more otf against a half stack. I'm hating every option for the rest of the hand. I might just 3b turn since calling turn and folding river seems pretty bad.

Head up!

updates on the grind?

Hey guys - long time no talk.

I've been playing a lot more live to pay bills but I still like to get in at least 25k hands a month (been slacking a bit) online.

I moved over to ACR 5NL in mid April after struggling on Ignition Zone. I was not using a HUD on Ignition and I think I was picking up some bad habits and being too aggressive over all.

Here is an update of my 5NL stats on ACR - it's a small sample size but I have been focusing on quality of play over quantity so I only play 2 tables or 3 tables max - meaning I only get like 200 hands/hour at most.

I'm also trying to use my HUD more but I am still a HUD fish.

I have also been using GTO+ a lot and trying to get a better understanding of Game Theory. The past 3 months have been really eye opening and I feel like my game has reached a new level - although I am still at 5NL

5NL ACR stats from Mid-April to now



1. Red line still isn't great but improved a little
2. My W$WSF is 52 which is a big jump from 46 - I attribute this to extensive solver work

Leaks

1. I still call too much
2. I don't correctly identify bluff spots as well or quickly as I should - or I misapply concepts sometimes

3. Many more leaks but can't think of them right now

A hand from my session that I thought was interesting - please give feedback if you'd like

Hand #1

Do you bet turn here? I think I need some top pair in my bet/x range and I would bet all my 98/97 before A9s.

As played- do you call this river?

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $0.05(BB)
SB ($10.20) [VPIP: 25.3% | PFR: 15.4% | AGG: 30.8% | 3-Bet: 5.4% | Hands: 504]
BB ($1.95) [VPIP: 60% | PFR: 30% | AGG: 9.1% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 10]
HERO ($5.41) [VPIP: 26.5% | PFR: 22.3% | AGG: 33.2% | 3-Bet: 10.6% | Hands: 70172]
BTN ($7.58) [VPIP: 33.1% | PFR: 20.1% | AGG: 25.2% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 169]

Dealt to Hero: A 9

HERO Raises To $0.10, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Calls $0.05

Hero SPR on Flop: [8.41 effective]
Flop ($0.22): 9 5 3
BB Checks, HERO Bets $0.16 (Rem. Stack: 5.15), BB Calls $0.16 (Rem. Stack: 1.69)

Turn ($0.54): 9 5 3 6
BB Checks, HERO Checks

River ($0.54): 9 5 3 6 4
BB Bets $0.54 (Rem. Stack: 1.15), HERO Calls $0.54 (Rem. Stack: 4.61)

mostly xing turn unblocking his floats, this turn should be checked a lot anyways

Calling river

Thx Chips! Long time no post.

Are you going to be returning to the Micro Stakes forum anytime soon?