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06-19-2021 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
ye, could have similar combo draws

close tho
Yes that's what I am thinking but usually IP he can just call and easily realize equity right? When he jams, it's more likely a hand like this which needs tons of protection which we are behind.
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06-20-2021 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by superpoker666
Yes that's what I am thinking but usually IP he can just call and easily realize equity right? When he jams, it's more likely a hand like this which needs tons of protection which we are behind.
yeah that is also true
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06-24-2021 , 03:27 AM
Do you think the pool find enough bluff here?
This combo should be a GTO call but maybe we can fold against the pool.

    Ignition - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

    SB: $203.80 (101.9 bb)
    BB: $674.13 (337.1 bb)
    UTG: $244.19 (122.1 bb)
    MP: $244.65 (122.3 bb)
    CO: $263.15 (131.6 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $210.07 (105 bb)

    SB posts $1.00, BB posts $2.00

    Pre Flop: (pot: $3.00) CO has 9 9, Hero has K Q
    2 folds, CO raises to $5.00, Hero raises to $16.00, 2 folds, CO calls $11.00

    Flop: ($35.00, 2 players) 9 K 4
    CO checks, Hero bets $10.97, CO raises to $38.57, Hero calls $27.60

    Turn: ($112.14, 2 players) 8
    CO bets $54.07, Hero calls $54.07

    River: ($220.28, 2 players) 6
    CO bets $154.51 and is all-in, Hero???
    Spoiler:
    calls $101.43 and is all-in

    Results: $423.14 pot ($4.00 rake)
    Final Board: 9 K 4 8 6

    CO shows 9 9: (Three of a Kind, Nines)
    (Pre 0%)

    CO wins $419.14
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    06-24-2021 , 04:54 AM
    after flop raise and river, 0%
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    06-24-2021 , 04:59 AM
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    Originally Posted by Brokenstars
    after flop raise and river, 0%
    So you suggest folding the river always? Do you all AK with Ac? or just call 2p+?
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    06-24-2021 , 05:34 AM
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    Originally Posted by superpoker666
    So you suggest folding the river always? Do you all AK with Ac? or just call 2p+?
    fold all of those
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    06-24-2021 , 04:52 PM
    Even if he does take that line with some QJo/QTo/JTo, you're blocking the potential bluff combos pretty hard
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    06-24-2021 , 06:08 PM
    Yeah I wouldn't give too much credit to these guys, better to overfold in these spots imo. Although it's anon pool the regs aren't particularly tough and I think most default to being on the nittier side
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    06-25-2021 , 07:22 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Brokenstars
    fold all of those
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    Originally Posted by whitemares
    Even if he does take that line with some QJo/QTo/JTo, you're blocking the potential bluff combos pretty hard
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    Originally Posted by 2021shipit
    Yeah I wouldn't give too much credit to these guys, better to overfold in these spots imo. Although it's anon pool the regs aren't particularly tough and I think most default to being on the nittier side
    Thanks, it make sense. This is the area I need to improve to fold those GTO calls.

    I think it is actually losing EV when an average 200nl Villain takes this line. just forget about the blockers...
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    06-26-2021 , 12:00 AM
    What do you think of this bluff?

      Ignition - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

      SB: $199.75 (99.9 bb)
      BB: $181.30 (90.7 bb)
      UTG: $723.41 (361.7 bb)
      MP: $208.80 (104.4 bb)
      CO: $432.02 (216 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $249.87 (124.9 bb)

      SB posts $1.00, BB posts $2.00

      Pre Flop: (pot: $3.00) Hero has J K
      2 folds, CO raises to $6.00, Hero raises to $18.00, fold, BB calls $16.00, CO calls $12.00

      Flop: ($55.00, 3 players) A J 9
      BB checks, CO checks, Hero checks

      Turn: ($55.00, 3 players) 5
      BB checks, CO bets $15.80, Hero calls $15.80, fold

      River: ($86.60, 2 players) 2
      CO bets $53.95, Hero raises to $216.07 and is all-in, fold

      Results: $194.50 pot ($4.00 rake)
      Final Board: A J 9 5 2

      Hero wins $190.50
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      06-27-2021 , 05:24 PM
      That's my favorite kind of bluff. I have a greater chance of stopping myself fapping than forcing myself to fold a medium pair with a flush blocker. Do you really want to be a losing a player?
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      06-27-2021 , 06:04 PM
      Almost find my self folding this combo that doesn't block Tx. Villain's donk size is fishy and do you overfold or overcall face a fish.

        Ignition - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
        Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

        Hero (CO): $270.02 (135 bb)
        BTN: $162.72 (81.4 bb)
        SB: $197.45 (98.7 bb)
        BB: $215.60 (107.8 bb)
        UTG: $218.50 (109.3 bb)
        MP: $236.42 (118.2 bb)

        SB posts $1.00, BB posts $2.00

        Pre Flop: (pot: $3.00) Hero has A J, MP has :
        fold, MP raises to $7.00, Hero raises to $18.00, 3 folds, MP calls $11.00

        Flop: ($39.00, 2 players) T J 2
        MP checks, Hero bets $12.23, MP calls $12.23

        Turn: ($63.46, 2 players) T
        MP bets $45.22, Hero calls $45.22

        River: ($153.90, 2 players) 2
        MP bets $160.97 and is all-in, Hero
        Spoiler:
        calls $160.97

        Results: $475.84 pot ($4.00 rake)
        Final Board: T J 2 T 2

        MP shows 5 A: (Two Pair, Tens and Twos)
        (Pre 32%, Flop 7%, Turn 0%)

        Hero shows A J: (Two Pair, Jacks and Tens)
        (Pre 68%, Flop 93%, Turn 100%)

        Hero wins $471.84
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        06-27-2021 , 08:03 PM
        If you calling the KQcx spot and thinking about folding this one, then I feel like there may be some issues with the thought process.

        KQxc spot was such that the only *natural* bluff combos are essentially QT/QJ/JTs none cc combos, a big chunk of which usually don't raise the K high flop texture, and likely the ones that do might be spades and also there are people who would just 4b this (Although low freq), so the combos which they might be bluffing with ---> some get 4b pre (although not many) and then vast majority of players are not raising flop without the cc combo, maybe a bit more with spade spade, but really don't think people would be doing it very often even with these, so you got a total of about 9 possible *natural* bluffing combos of which some might get 4b pre, vast majority of time are not getting bluffed on the flop, presumably not full frequency for turn or river, and you end up with average villain here only having at most a couple combos of natural bluffs. Way reduced spew here due to preflop/flop (3bp, K high texture, overal tendencies of pool etc). And then value is dece chunk of XXcc, the two lower sets, and the occasionally dumbly played k9s/AK/AA, but either way really not going to have good odds bluff catching here even with Qc blocker imo.

        Now conversely you get this spot where the guy opens to $7 (likely fish), calls the 3b (increases probability), and then donks massive on this turn, and while it is relatively strong I guess there are just too many potential spewy hands in range to consider folding AJ imo... lots of natural bluffs with hands like AK/AQ/KQ/Q9s/98s and floated clubs compared to the potential value range of mostly TX suited combos, QT/KT/ATs is only 6 combos, if you think its reasonable he has 3-4+ combos of potential bluffs makes it a pretty reasonable call given pot odds and there is definitely a lot of potential combos.

        So while the turn donk lead here might be overall kinda strong, I think fish going for the $7 open, large donk, facing the small cbet, etc. and having just so many potentially natural bluff combos makes it a pretty snap call for me personally. Can definitely be hard to do with the 15 seconds though
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        06-27-2021 , 11:27 PM
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        Originally Posted by Brokenstars
        If you calling the KQcx spot and thinking about folding this one, then I feel like there may be some issues with the thought process.

        KQxc spot was such that the only *natural* bluff combos are essentially QT/QJ/JTs none cc combos, a big chunk of which usually don't raise the K high flop texture, and likely the ones that do might be spades and also there are people who would just 4b this (Although low freq), so the combos which they might be bluffing with ---> some get 4b pre (although not many) and then vast majority of players are not raising flop without the cc combo, maybe a bit more with spade spade, but really don't think people would be doing it very often even with these, so you got a total of about 9 possible *natural* bluffing combos of which some might get 4b pre, vast majority of time are not getting bluffed on the flop, presumably not full frequency for turn or river, and you end up with average villain here only having at most a couple combos of natural bluffs. Way reduced spew here due to preflop/flop (3bp, K high texture, overal tendencies of pool etc). And then value is dece chunk of XXcc, the two lower sets, and the occasionally dumbly played k9s/AK/AA, but either way really not going to have good odds bluff catching here even with Qc blocker imo.

        Now conversely you get this spot where the guy opens to $7 (likely fish), calls the 3b (increases probability), and then donks massive on this turn, and while it is relatively strong I guess there are just too many potential spewy hands in range to consider folding AJ imo... lots of natural bluffs with hands like AK/AQ/KQ/Q9s/98s and floated clubs compared to the potential value range of mostly TX suited combos, QT/KT/ATs is only 6 combos, if you think its reasonable he has 3-4+ combos of potential bluffs makes it a pretty reasonable call given pot odds and there is definitely a lot of potential combos.

        So while the turn donk lead here might be overall kinda strong, I think fish going for the $7 open, large donk, facing the small cbet, etc. and having just so many potentially natural bluff combos makes it a pretty snap call for me personally. Can definitely be hard to do with the 15 seconds though
        Thanks BS for your detailed analysis. I agree with the KQ hands mostly assuming facing an average Villain.

        For the second hand, one dynamic in the game I forgot to mention is that he snap donk the turn and jam the river made me think of folding. He at least needs to think a few seconds to bluff.
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        06-28-2021 , 07:52 AM
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        Originally Posted by superpoker666
        Thanks BS for your detailed analysis. I agree with the KQ hands mostly assuming facing an average Villain.

        For the second hand, one dynamic in the game I forgot to mention is that he snap donk the turn and jam the river made me think of folding. He at least needs to think a few seconds to bluff.
        Yes line itself is strong on average, but villain is fish due to a couple data points. Value range is narrow, and potentially bluff/spew combos are high.
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        06-30-2021 , 06:26 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by superpoker666
        The rake is almost same as the winning
        feelsbadsir

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        Originally Posted by superpoker666
        110K hands update:

        Keep it up!

        glgl
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        07-12-2021 , 11:46 PM
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        Originally Posted by superpoker666
        110K hands update:

        nice graph gogogo
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        07-13-2021 , 12:45 AM
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        Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
        feelsbadsir



        Keep it up!

        glgl
        Thanks men! How is the grind going on the apps?

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        Originally Posted by LLSM
        nice graph gogogo
        Thanks!
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        07-13-2021 , 04:15 AM
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        Originally Posted by superpoker666
        Thanks men! How is the grind going on the apps?
        Np. Thanks for asking. Pretty well!

        Although I’m very jealous of the rake you guys pay on ignition at 500nl+. Not worth making switches yet for a few reasons, but someday probably

        Spoiler:
        Average stake midstakes now- but playing everything a lot especially 200nl

        Also playing lots of live pokers.


        GL as always, sir

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        07-17-2021 , 02:52 AM
        Nice nice, I am not playing 500z and only take a shot at it. Rake at 200z is about 5bb/100 and 500z is around 3.5bb/rake. I am still building a bankroll for another shot taking.

        GL to you as well!
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        Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
        Np. Thanks for asking. Pretty well!

        Although I’m very jealous of the rake you guys pay on ignition at 500nl+. Not worth making switches yet for a few reasons, but someday probably

        Spoiler:
        Average stake midstakes now- but playing everything a lot especially 200nl

        Also playing lots of live pokers.


        GL as always, sir

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        07-17-2021 , 11:47 AM
        Ignition is the dream, lowish rake, super soft pools, it's like poker 10 years ago except the regs are a bit more competent. I wish I could play but got booted off due to being in New York. Honestly I think ignition is even softer than the mainstream bros apps like diamond union, although I'm sure you could find some really good apps.

        should make sure to get aff. rakeback when you sign up, it's a life changer.
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        07-17-2021 , 12:00 PM
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        Originally Posted by 2021shipit
        Ignition is the dream, lowish rake, super soft pools, it's like poker 10 years ago except the regs are a bit more competent. I wish I could play but got booted off due to being in New York. Honestly I think ignition is even softer than the mainstream bros apps like diamond union, although I'm sure you could find some really good apps.

        should make sure to get aff. rakeback when you sign up, it's a life changer.
        It really depends on the time of day. If you play midday during the week, it's 4-5 regs to a table.

        It's softer than ACR though for sure.

        But when we are talking about small samples like 100k-200k hands. Your winrate is largely due to variance.
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        07-17-2021 , 12:38 PM
        I wish I had known about rakeback on Ignition, but I think that ship has sailed.

        Softer than other sites for sure, but also a lot of variance because of this.
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        07-17-2021 , 12:57 PM
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        Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
        It really depends on the time of day. If you play midday during the week, it's 4-5 regs to a table.

        .
        At 200/500nl 4 regs at a table is a very good game. Most sites, stars, gg even ACR if you sit down at 500nl getting 2 fish is very rare.

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        Originally Posted by newguyhere
        I wish I had known about rakeback on Ignition, but I think that ship has sailed.

        Softer than other sites for sure, but also a lot of variance because of this.

        Technically you can create 2 accounts, one on bovada and one on ignition. But if you've already made both you're dead in the water.
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        07-17-2021 , 01:23 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by 2021shipit
        At 200/500nl 4 regs at a table is a very good game. Most sites, stars, gg even ACR if you sit down at 500nl getting 2 fish is very rare.




        Technically you can create 2 accounts, one on bovada and one on ignition. But if you've already made both you're dead in the water.
        I am specifically talking about reg tables and only for 50nl, since that is the only stakes I can speak confidently about. I assume higher stakes would have less fish per table.

        Also fast fold tables naturally have less fish. So it's probably less than 2 per table, but still softer than GG/ACR/Pstars

        @Newguy

        You can definitely make another account. With crypto currency you can find a work around for everything.
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