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10-07-2013 , 01:17 AM
Hello guys,

Finally I am opening my PG&C. I am playing poker for a while but I never took it seriously until now. I used to play live just for fun but now I am focusing on online poker. I used to play SNGs before, I was doing ok but I didn't like them much and I never really put much volume anyway. I really want to focus on cash games. My dream is playing live cash games regularly in the future.
I was playing 15 tables FR but now I discovered ZOOM on Stars and I am loving it. I really love poker and I want to learn as much as possible. My past results are bad but mostly because I was taking Poker in the wrong way. I was gambling too much. Yes, I was really a fish!
Now things are different, I really want to do well and I am really keen to put time to develop my game.

I don't really have a time frame for this challenge, of course I would like to move up as soon as possible but I need to learn the game properly first.

I need as much help as I can get, so please help me reviewing my hands and give me some general feedback about my game. If you are playing like me FR or Zoom I would love to make "partners" and learn together, maybe joining a group. If in the near future I see my game is improving I would like to get a coach as well, for the moment I believe is not worthy since I still have a lot to learn and I am only playing 2NL at the moment anyway.

My plan is playing at least 3,000 hands daily on Zoom poker starting from 2NL.

My bankroll is $118.01 at the moment. I am planning to move up to 5NL as soon I reach $150.

This is how my graph looks like at the moment:



Wish me luck and please criticize my game
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10-07-2013 , 01:25 AM
Today I did my first session on ZOOM. I was making a killing until I lost 415.50bb on one hand!

    Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19826951

    BTN: $1.50 (75 bb)
    SB: $1.89 (94.5 bb)
    BB: $2 (100 bb)
    Hero (UTG+1): $8.31 (415.5 bb)
    UTG+2: $4.37 (218.5 bb)
    MP1: $21.17 (1,058.5 bb)
    MP2: $2 (100 bb)
    MP3: $2.19 (109.5 bb)
    CO: $4 (200 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 5 5
    Hero raises to $0.06, UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.10, 6 folds, Hero calls $0.04

    Flop: ($0.23) 5 8 6 (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP1 bets $0.18, Hero calls $0.18

    Turn: ($0.59) 4 (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP1 bets $0.38, Hero raises to $0.76, MP1 calls $0.38

    River: ($2.11) 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.32, MP1 raises to $20.13, Hero calls $5.95 and is all-in

    Spoiler:
    Results: $16.65 pot ($0.30 rake)
    Final Board: 5 8 6 4 4
    Hero showed 5 5 and lost (-$8.31 net)
    MP1 showed 4 4 and won $16.35 ($8.04 net)



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    What do you guys think about this hand? How did I play? I might have slow played it and I should have been more aggressive.


    Anyway I manage to make a profit anyway and I left the game soon after this hand. I wasn't playing straight after.

    This is the graph for this session:




    Here my stats so far:

    Any feedback?

    My bankroll is $118.01 and I am planning to play another session later today.
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    10-07-2013 , 02:55 AM
    GL dude
    Imo the 55 hand was miss played at any street,i will reraise flop,just call turn and bet fold river.
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    10-07-2013 , 05:16 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by noobis
    GL dude
    Imo the 55 hand was miss played at any street,i will reraise flop,just call turn and bet fold river.
    Yes you are right, I played it very poorly. River was bet/fold for sure.
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    10-07-2013 , 05:22 AM
    Second session for the day, I played fairly well in the beginning and poorly at the end.

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    10-07-2013 , 05:29 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by noobis
    GL dude
    Imo the 55 hand was miss played at any street,i will reraise flop,just call turn and bet fold river.
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by revvvv
    Yes you are right, I played it very poorly. River was bet/fold for sure.
    Flop, turn played poorly.... As for the river we're always going broke here you're never putting villain on quads and we are only losing to 66 and 88.
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    10-07-2013 , 05:39 AM
    I think flop is a raise, turn is a call but really not sure how you can say river is bet/fold. You have to put him on exactly 44, 66 or 88.

    You are always going broke on the river, especially at 2nl because in my experience a typical 2nl player will probably shove river with just a 7, and probably if they had just a 4 because they do not read the board very well and just see that they have made trips, which is a good hand so they shove not realising there is potential straights and full houses etc.

    Anyway, will be following this thread closely, I have been gringing it up through zoom myself ( now nearing 25nl) so I can relate to a lot of the things you have and will be going through on this journey. Glglglglgl
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    10-07-2013 , 05:41 AM
    glgl on your goals OP
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    10-07-2013 , 07:34 AM
    Thanks guys!! I need heaps of help with my game so any feedback is appreciate!
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    10-07-2013 , 08:38 AM
    gl
    @ 55 hand: raise flop and then bet turn and b/f river this deep
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    10-07-2013 , 08:49 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by adiman1
    I think flop is a raise, turn is a call but really not sure how you can say river is bet/fold. You have to put him on exactly 44, 66 or 88.

    You are always going broke on the river, especially at 2nl because in my experience a typical 2nl player will probably shove river with just a 7, and probably if they had just a 4 because they do not read the board very well and just see that they have made trips, which is a good hand so they shove not realising there is potential straights and full houses etc.

    Anyway, will be following this thread closely, I have been gringing it up through zoom myself ( now nearing 25nl) so I can relate to a lot of the things you have and will be going through on this journey. Glglglglgl

    Agree with this.

    And be prepared for swings in zoom, I occasionally have upto 10 BI downswings. Play with a conservative BR policy.
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    10-07-2013 , 09:09 AM
    ahh full ring players are wierd
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    10-07-2013 , 11:56 AM
    + follow.
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    10-07-2013 , 11:13 PM
    I'll play another session this afternoon, thanks guys for helping me. I'll keep you posted!
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    10-09-2013 , 07:46 AM
    Sorry guys for the delay, yesterday I had a identity crisis. A friend of mine contacted me and told me I should focus my energies on 6max. He told me that 6max is more similar to a Live FR and Online FR is full of nits anyway. 6max is more profitable. I wasn't sure about it but I'll give it a go.

    Yesterday I didn't play in the end but today I had a small session. Unfortunately I am working overtime I don't think to I'll be able to play 3k hand every day but I will still play 15k hands per week.

    Today session was ok but 6max 4tabling is a lot faster. I am still learning and adapting from FR. I need to study heaps. I'll am thinking to get Harrington on 6max. Is it any good?

    My stats for this session:


    Any feedback on my stats? 6max

      Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19869551

      BTN: $3.09 (154.5 bb)
      SB: $2.05 (102.5 bb)
      BB: $2.47 (123.5 bb)
      Hero (UTG): $3.85 (192.5 bb)
      MP: $2.06 (103 bb)
      CO: $2.54 (127 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q J
      Hero raises to $0.06, 3 folds, SB calls $0.05, BB calls $0.04

      Flop: ($0.18) 7 9 9 (3 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

      Turn: ($0.18) 6 (3 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($0.18) K (3 players)
      SB bets $0.08, BB raises to $0.24, Hero raises to $0.64, SB folds, BB calls $0.40

      Spoiler:
      Results: $1.54 pot ($0.05 rake)
      Final Board: 7 9 9 6 K
      SB mucked and lost (-$0.14 net)
      BB showed 8 A and won $1.49 ($0.79 net)
      Hero showed Q J and lost (-$0.70 net)



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      Should I have just call down?

        Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19869541

        BTN: $0.95 (47.5 bb)
        SB: $2 (100 bb)
        BB: $4.18 (209 bb)
        UTG: $1.95 (97.5 bb)
        MP: $2.01 (100.5 bb)
        Hero (CO): $3.66 (183 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 9
        2 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, BTN calls $0.06, 2 folds

        Flop: ($0.15) T 6 3 (2 players)
        Hero bets $0.10, BTN raises to $0.54, Hero calls $0.44

        Turn: ($1.23) 7 (2 players)
        Hero checks, BTN checks

        River: ($1.23) 5 (2 players)
        Hero checks, BTN checks

        Spoiler:
        Results: $1.23 pot ($0.04 rake)
        Final Board: T 6 3 7 5
        BTN showed K T and won $1.19 ($0.59 net)
        Hero showed 9 9 and lost (-$0.60 net)



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        Fold to his raise?





          Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19869561

          BTN: $2.68 (134 bb)
          SB: $1.14 (57 bb)
          BB: $0.97 (48.5 bb)
          UTG: $3.63 (181.5 bb)
          Hero (MP): $2.16 (108 bb)
          CO: $2.37 (118.5 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is MP with K J
          UTG raises to $0.08, Hero calls $0.08, CO calls $0.08, 3 folds

          Flop: ($0.27) 4 T 7 (3 players)
          UTG bets $0.14, Hero calls $0.14, CO raises to $2.29 and is all-in, UTG raises to $3.55, Hero calls $1.94 and is all-in

          Turn: ($6.93) 2 (3 players, 2 are all-in)
          River: ($6.93) 3 (3 players, 2 are all-in)

          Spoiler:
          Results: $6.93 pot ($0.24 rake)
          Final Board: 4 T 7 2 3
          UTG showed A A and lost (-$2.37 net)
          Hero showed K J and won $6.28 ($4.12 net)
          CO showed 7 7 and won $0.41 (-$1.96 net)



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          Been lucky I know but I believe I had odds right? What do you think?


          This thread will be a little slow at the beginning but I promise it will go far! Stay tuned
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          10-09-2013 , 09:48 PM
          I had one hour session this morning, I was playing well but at the end I lost two big pots and I quit the game just after.



            Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19880981

            BTN: $1.84 (92 bb)
            SB: $2.03 (101.5 bb)
            BB: $0.99 (49.5 bb)
            Hero (UTG): $2.15 (107.5 bb)
            MP: $1.89 (94.5 bb)
            CO: $3.13 (156.5 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is UTG with J A
            Hero raises to $0.06, MP folds, CO raises to $0.10, BTN calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.04

            Flop: ($0.33) 8 9 A (3 players)
            Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $0.16, Hero calls $0.16, CO folds

            Turn: ($0.65) K (2 players)
            Hero checks, BTN bets $0.38, Hero calls $0.38

            River: ($1.41) A (2 players)
            Hero checks, BTN bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

            Spoiler:
            Results: $3.81 pot ($0.13 rake)
            Final Board: 8 9 A K A
            BTN showed Q T and lost (-$1.84 net)
            Hero showed J A and won $3.68 ($1.84 net)



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            I played it too passively but OOP I wasn't sure what to do. I called down in the end but I was even considering folding to a better A. Am I such a fish?





              Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19880991

              BTN: $1.01 (50.5 bb)
              SB: $2.70 (135 bb)
              BB: $3.39 (169.5 bb)
              UTG: $2.05 (102.5 bb)
              Hero (MP): $5.63 (281.5 bb)
              CO: $3.85 (192.5 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is MP with Q A
              UTG raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.14, 2 folds, SB calls $0.13, BB folds, UTG calls $0.08

              Flop: ($0.44) Q 7 3 (3 players)
              SB checks, UTG bets $0.28, Hero raises to $0.96, SB folds, UTG raises to $1.91 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.95

              Turn: ($4.26) A (2 players, 1 is all-in)
              River: ($4.26) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

              Spoiler:
              Results: $4.26 pot ($0.15 rake)
              Final Board: Q 7 3 A 5
              SB mucked and lost (-$0.14 net)
              UTG showed 3 3 and won $4.11 ($2.06 net)
              Hero showed Q A and lost (-$2.05 net)



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              I played this hand terribly, I shouldn't have raised. Anyway this end was going to end in the same way, with an A on the turn I wasn't going to fold his all in.





                Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19881001

                BTN: $2.08 (104 bb)
                SB: $1.67 (83.5 bb)
                BB: $2.84 (142 bb)
                UTG: $2.11 (105.5 bb)
                MP: $1.34 (67 bb)
                Hero (CO): $3.70 (185 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is CO with K K
                2 folds, Hero raises to $0.10, 2 folds, BB calls $0.08

                Flop: ($0.21) 6 9 3 (2 players)
                BB checks, Hero bets $0.18, BB calls $0.18

                Turn: ($0.57) T (2 players)
                BB checks, Hero bets $0.48, BB calls $0.48

                River: ($1.53) Q (2 players)
                BB checks, Hero bets $0.96, BB calls $0.96

                Spoiler:
                Results: $3.45 pot ($0.12 rake)
                Final Board: 6 9 3 T Q
                BB showed Q T and won $3.33 ($1.61 net)
                Hero showed K K and lost (-$1.72 net)



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                This hand pissed me off. River was ok for me, would you have played it in the same way?
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                10-09-2013 , 10:51 PM
                Quote:
                Originally Posted by revvvv


                  Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                  Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19869561

                  BTN: $2.68 (134 bb)
                  SB: $1.14 (57 bb)
                  BB: $0.97 (48.5 bb)
                  UTG: $3.63 (181.5 bb)
                  Hero (MP): $2.16 (108 bb)
                  CO: $2.37 (118.5 bb)

                  Preflop: Hero is MP with K J
                  UTG raises to $0.08, Hero calls $0.08, CO calls $0.08, 3 folds

                  Flop: ($0.27) 4 T 7 (3 players)
                  UTG bets $0.14, Hero calls $0.14, CO raises to $2.29 and is all-in, UTG raises to $3.55, Hero calls $1.94 and is all-in

                  Turn: ($6.93) 2 (3 players, 2 are all-in)
                  River: ($6.93) 3 (3 players, 2 are all-in)

                  Spoiler:
                  Results: $6.93 pot ($0.24 rake)
                  Final Board: 4 T 7 2 3
                  UTG showed A A and lost (-$2.37 net)
                  Hero showed K J and won $6.28 ($4.12 net)
                  CO showed 7 7 and won $0.41 (-$1.96 net)



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                  Been lucky I know but I believe I had odds right? What do you think?


                  This thread will be a little slow at the beginning but I promise it will go far! Stay tuned
                  This was an insta fold you definitely didn't have the right odds and you could easily been drawing dead
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                  10-09-2013 , 11:08 PM
                  Quote:
                  Originally Posted by revvvv
                  I had one hour session this morning, I was playing well but at the end I lost two big pots and I quit the game just after.



                    Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19880981

                    BTN: $1.84 (92 bb)
                    SB: $2.03 (101.5 bb)
                    BB: $0.99 (49.5 bb)
                    Hero (UTG): $2.15 (107.5 bb)
                    MP: $1.89 (94.5 bb)
                    CO: $3.13 (156.5 bb)

                    Preflop: Hero is UTG with J A
                    Hero raises to $0.06, MP folds, CO raises to $0.10, BTN calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.04

                    Flop: ($0.33) 8 9 A (3 players)
                    Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $0.16, Hero calls $0.16, CO folds

                    Turn: ($0.65) K (2 players)
                    Hero checks, BTN bets $0.38, Hero calls $0.38

                    River: ($1.41) A (2 players)
                    Hero checks, BTN bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

                    Spoiler:
                    Results: $3.81 pot ($0.13 rake)
                    Final Board: 8 9 A K A
                    BTN showed Q T and lost (-$1.84 net)
                    Hero showed J A and won $3.68 ($1.84 net)



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                    I played it too passively but OOP I wasn't sure what to do. I called down in the end but I was even considering folding to a better A. Am I such a fish?



                      Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19880991

                      BTN: $1.01 (50.5 bb)
                      SB: $2.70 (135 bb)
                      BB: $3.39 (169.5 bb)
                      UTG: $2.05 (102.5 bb)
                      Hero (MP): $5.63 (281.5 bb)
                      CO: $3.85 (192.5 bb)

                      Preflop: Hero is MP with Q A
                      UTG raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.14, 2 folds, SB calls $0.13, BB folds, UTG calls $0.08

                      Flop: ($0.44) Q 7 3 (3 players)
                      SB checks, UTG bets $0.28, Hero raises to $0.96, SB folds, UTG raises to $1.91 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.95

                      Turn: ($4.26) A (2 players, 1 is all-in)
                      River: ($4.26) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                      Spoiler:
                      Results: $4.26 pot ($0.15 rake)
                      Final Board: Q 7 3 A 5
                      SB mucked and lost (-$0.14 net)
                      UTG showed 3 3 and won $4.11 ($2.06 net)
                      Hero showed Q A and lost (-$2.05 net)



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                      I played this hand terribly, I shouldn't have raised. Anyway this end was going to end in the same way, with an A on the turn I wasn't going to fold his all in.





                        Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19881001

                        BTN: $2.08 (104 bb)
                        SB: $1.67 (83.5 bb)
                        BB: $2.84 (142 bb)
                        UTG: $2.11 (105.5 bb)
                        MP: $1.34 (67 bb)
                        Hero (CO): $3.70 (185 bb)

                        Preflop: Hero is CO with K K
                        2 folds, Hero raises to $0.10, 2 folds, BB calls $0.08

                        Flop: ($0.21) 6 9 3 (2 players)
                        BB checks, Hero bets $0.18, BB calls $0.18

                        Turn: ($0.57) T (2 players)
                        BB checks, Hero bets $0.48, BB calls $0.48

                        River: ($1.53) Q (2 players)
                        BB checks, Hero bets $0.96, BB calls $0.96

                        Spoiler:
                        Results: $3.45 pot ($0.12 rake)
                        Final Board: 6 9 3 T Q
                        BB showed Q T and won $3.33 ($1.61 net)
                        Hero showed K K and lost (-$1.72 net)



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                        This hand pissed me off. River was ok for me, would you have played it in the same way?
                        Hand 1: TBH I'd have probably 4bet after the button called and fold to shove/big reraise. As you played it I don't hate that line but I don't enjoy having to call down these hands OOP

                        Hand 2: If you're going to 3bet, 3bet way bigger seriously like .22-.26 here villain is still priced in with any 2 here... fwiw I usually respect UTG raises until I have decent sample or read that they look fishy.

                        Hand 3: I see that you 5x open with KK... I do this to at micro stakes it's an obivous tell but agaist oppents that aren't aware of what you're doing and zoom changing tables around every hand I really think it's +EV as for the way you played it.. I'd have bet all three streets it looks like villians on a draw mabey A9 I just think you were unlucky he made runner runner 2 pair.
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                        10-10-2013 , 12:29 AM
                        Quote:
                        Originally Posted by [ ] NameDelivers
                        Hand 1: TBH I'd have probably 4bet after the button called and fold to shove/big reraise. As you played it I don't hate that line but I don't enjoy having to call down these hands OOP

                        Hand 2: If you're going to 3bet, 3bet way bigger seriously like .22-.26 here villain is still priced in with any 2 here... fwiw I usually respect UTG raises until I have decent sample or read that they look fishy.

                        Hand 3: I see that you 5x open with KK... I do this to at micro stakes it's an obivous tell but agaist oppents that aren't aware of what you're doing and zoom changing tables around every hand I really think it's +EV as for the way you played it.. I'd have bet all three streets it looks like villians on a draw mabey A9 I just think you were unlucky he made runner runner 2 pair.
                        Thanks for the comments! I really appreciate your feedback. I agree with all your hands review.
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                        10-10-2013 , 07:47 AM
                        hand 1 . wp

                        hand 2. don't like the 3bet vs utg unless you have reads that he is opening wide and fishy. Don't raise flop you're in position and you are folding out all worse hands and bluffs

                        hand 3. wp
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