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04-27-2013 , 10:10 AM
Please, pleaseee let those songs comming, I love 'em !

Have you read Tommy Angelo's Elements of poker? Or maby watched his series Eightfold paht to Poker enlightment ? It defenitly helped me with defining my C-game, when I'm playing like that and how I can improve it
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04-27-2013 , 11:06 AM
I don't play hu but am following.

Laughed when I read 'only 3betting 18%, foreign to a 6max player. Do you really think you got owned in that AJ hand? I looked at it briefly and it's a pretty thin call imo. Do you barrel jj there? Wider? Obv ok if you don't want to answer, just curious.

Gl.
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04-27-2013 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by purrretrog
SB showed 3 2 and won $100.50 ($50.00 net)
O_o
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04-27-2013 , 12:41 PM
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O_o
Standard 100% minraise from btn

Last edited by La-Ong-Fong; 04-27-2013 at 12:42 PM. Reason: GL pure just a ****ty run you got this month
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04-27-2013 , 02:13 PM
lol ye my bad, i read flop action as preflop and thought he peeled it vs a 3bet
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04-29-2013 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Roszzz
Please, pleaseee let those songs comming, I love 'em !

Have you read Tommy Angelo's Elements of poker? Or maby watched his series Eightfold paht to Poker enlightment ? It defenitly helped me with defining my C-game, when I'm playing like that and how I can improve it
Cheers, that majestic channel on youtube is a beast!, yea ive listened to TA's eightfold series, found it a good starting point, IMO Jared Tendler's MGOP will turn out to be a very solid investment, just gona take a lot of effort.

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Originally Posted by Chomma
I don't play hu but am following.

Laughed when I read 'only 3betting 18%, foreign to a 6max player. Do you really think you got owned in that AJ hand? I looked at it briefly and it's a pretty thin call imo. Do you barrel jj there? Wider? Obv ok if you don't want to answer, just curious.

Gl.
Yea usually Im ~30%, ehh against some players im barrelling JJ for value, but not against BB, Against him id go as low as Qx though.



Ran into a life cooler, Got politely asked to leave my job giving staff members cheap/free booze caught up with me, Ive worked there for 2 years and some of my closest friends work there. So pretty upset.

Not sure what im going to do with regards to a J.O.B, my hourly $ is higher than any job im qualified/would want to do, so may try this poker business for awhile. I have enough money in my liferoll so that I can live fairly comfortably for a few months before I have to panic.

On the bright side, the girl im currently seeing just agreed to having a threesome with her friend(the good kind).....



As far as the month goes, up $200 now, hoping to catch some serious heat before I go insane.

Will update tomorrow with May goals
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04-29-2013 , 09:08 PM
Who needs a job when you can have a threesome?
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04-30-2013 , 04:55 AM
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Who needs a job when you can have a threesome?
ye felt bad reading about purre losing the job, but to a less degree after finishing the entire post :
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04-30-2013 , 08:13 PM
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Who needs a job when you can have a threesome?
Amen to that

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ye felt bad reading about purre losing the job, but to a less degree after finishing the entire post :
Obviously its a "ill believe it when It actually happens" type thing, but Ive got both parties willing so Im in high hopes.

As for poker things are still pretty frustrating, just chalked up another losing month.



Couldn't get anything going, Confident I played solid for most of the month, got my ass handed to me by Gamblor over and over again. Not just in AI EV, but most of the board run outs/barrel spots I got were so sick.

Hopefully ill come out the other end a stronger player.

Goals for May

- Play 40k hands
- Earn 3k plus
- shot NL200
- Figure out and put some time into CREV
- Do a ton of mental game work.

Life goals for May

- Start working hard on my fitness
- Sort out accommodation for Amsterdam

Freeroll of the month

If I don't profit $3K or more, ill ship $50 to a poster.


Its my first month playing full time, hopefully ill get tons of volume/work in, fingers crossed ill leave my room and not become a complete degen.

GL in may

Lord knows im in Need of some of that sweet, sweet, canned heat

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05-01-2013 , 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by purrretrog
If I don't profit $3K or more, ill ship $50 to a poster.
Well now I hope you wont make it

Spoiler:
j/k, gl
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05-01-2013 , 09:51 AM
Played this hand yesterday thought id gif my thought process:


    Full Tilt, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #17279591

    Hero (BB): $128 (128 bb)
    SB: $78.40 (78.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q Q



    SB raises to $3,
    Hero raises to $10
    , SB calls $7



    Flop: ($20) T 7 2 (2 players)



    Hero bets $11, SB raises to $29,



    Hero raises to $118 and is all-in, SB calls $39.40 and is all-in



    Turn: ($156.80) T (2 players, 2 are all-in)



    River: ($156.80) A (2 players, 2 are all-in)



    Spoiler:
    Results: $156.80 pot ($0.50 rake)
    Final Board: T 7 2 T A
    Hero showed Q Q and won $0.00 (-$78.40 net)
    SB showed 5 A and won $156.30 ($77.90 net)



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    05-02-2013 , 06:08 AM
    ^^^ No maney HU obv
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    05-04-2013 , 04:46 AM
    Love the Harry Potter gif for some reason, sums up the feeling well haha
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    05-04-2013 , 10:09 AM
    Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players -

    BTN/SB: $202.78
    Hero (BB): $200.00

    Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with J J
    BTN/SB raises to $6, Hero raises to $20, BTN/SB calls $14

    Flop: ($40.00) 5 4 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $24, BTN/SB calls $24

    Turn: ($88.00) 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets $46, BTN/SB raises to $158.78 all in, Hero calls $110 all in

    BTN/SB shows T J



    River: ($400.00) A (2 players - 2 are all in)

    Final Pot: $400.00
    Hero shows J J (two pair, Jacks and Fours)
    Hero wins $399.50
    (Rake: $0.50)
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    05-05-2013 , 02:52 PM
    ^^^
    So thats how you do it.


    Month has started well, nice to be on the right side of some coolers.

    Graph:



    Putting a ton of time into game theory. I still don't have a great understanding of it, but even if it turns out im not intelligent enough to utilize a GTO strat, I think all the work I do sharpening and understanding what my range will make me a tougher opponent.

    Usually I spend very little time actively working on my game, but im sure once I get into this ill be closer to 50/50.

    Also watched the movie blow there, long overdue, such a sick film.

    Another tune from my cool down play list.

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    05-05-2013 , 03:34 PM
    i've been studying more on gto aswell lately. wouldn't recommend drastically changing your style of play into something that's more gto though. it's pretty important to have a grasp on it when ur readless, but you bascially just think about what range you get to x spot with and where the particular hand your holding fits into that range and decide wether you should fold/call/raise vs a bet for instance and deviate from that strategy over to more exploitative play as you develop reads.

    think your sacrifising alot if you try an play a soley gto based approach, considering most regs below 200nl have quite a bit of leaks especially all the donks obv.
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    05-05-2013 , 04:09 PM
    Yea from what Ive read I think im just not intelligent enough(at least without hours of work), to properly implement a GTO strategy, In saying that Im still going to work hard into understanding it. Ive got all the free time in the world so why not haha

    Probably wont change my game at all(at least dramatically) for some time yet. Anything I tried to change this early would probably be unbalanced and not close to GTO at all.

    I think your slightly misunderstanding GTO though, If I was to implement a GTO strategy it would work more against donks and weak regs than an exploitive strat?
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    05-05-2013 , 08:09 PM
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    Originally Posted by purrretrog
    Yea from what Ive read I think im just not intelligent enough(at least without hours of work), to properly implement a GTO strategy, In saying that Im still going to work hard into understanding it. Ive got all the free time in the world so why not haha

    Probably wont change my game at all(at least dramatically) for some time yet. Anything I tried to change this early would probably be unbalanced and not close to GTO at all.

    I think your slightly misunderstanding GTO though, If I was to implement a GTO strategy it would work more against donks and weak regs than an exploitive strat?
    I'd think it's the other way around, because opponents which a gto strategy will be the most beneficial against are ones who are likely to choose the best possible counter-strategy to what we're doing (not weak opponents). The amount that GTO would beat someone with a huge leak is going to be relatively small, sure the bigger the leak the bigger GTO's margin of victory, but I don't think it will be anywhere near as big as an exploitative strategy. Therefore the worse our opponent is, the more of an advantage an exploitative strategy will have over one that's unexploitable or closer to it.

    To make an example, let's say hero is playing a villain who's making a mistake of continuing 80% of the time against a cbet to pot on the flop. A GTO strategy dicates that we should have a bluff/value bet ratio of 50%/50% when we cbet to pot and villain needs to continue half the time or he's beeing exploited by either folding/calling (ignoring raise for simplicity) too much. Against such a player (obv. donk) a flop strategy of betting 100% for value and 0% as a bluff is clearly going to have a higher ev than than bluffing half the time, hence an exploitative strategy > gto strategy against a weaker opponent with significant leaks. I'm not saying this is bluntly true, and i'll happily have someone more qualified correct me if it's wrong but this sounds about right to me.
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    05-06-2013 , 02:47 PM
    Im not qualified to tell you, but....

    You cant just look at certain spots where GTO is losing money and saying you can exploit it here or there, as if that was the case, it wouldn't be the optimum strat.

    So if we play a "perfect" range in every spot, the best we can hope to do is break even. The more leaks in our range the more profitable the GTO strat becomes. Its to my understanding that if you look at the strategy on a whole, GTO would make a ton more money off fish than an exploitive strat would. Once again im not qualified to tell you how because im not too sure myself.

    You're implying that If I was to play a Perfect range up until the river and then just didn't fold any value hand on the river I would make money against someone playing GTO, which isn't the case as then the GTO strat wouldn't be optimum.
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    05-06-2013 , 06:26 PM
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    Originally Posted by purrretrog
    Im not qualified to tell you, but....

    You cant just look at certain spots where GTO is losing money and saying you can exploit it here or there, as if that was the case, it wouldn't be the optimum strat.

    So if we play a "perfect" range in every spot, the best we can hope to do is break even. The more leaks in our range the more profitable the GTO strat becomes. Its to my understanding that if you look at the strategy on a whole, GTO would make a ton more money off fish than an exploitive strat would. Once again im not qualified to tell you how because im not too sure myself.

    You're implying that If I was to play a Perfect range up until the river and then just didn't fold any value hand on the river I would make money against someone playing GTO, which isn't the case as then the GTO strat wouldn't be optimum.
    I don't see anywhere in my post where i've implied it's possible to make money against a GTO strat, and i'm completely aware that it's impossible to do so. There's a reason it's called "exploitative" strategy, because the goal is to maximally exploit an opponent and therefore the more exploitable someone is (significance/amount of leaks) the more of an advantage it'll have over playing GTO because playing unexploitatively doesn't allow for you to take the most advantage over their leaks. Therefore it seems really obvious to me that the more exploitable a parcitular opponent is, the less incentive there is to apply a GTO strat as opposed to a strategy which maximally exploit all of them leaks.

    Here's a good thread I found which explains better than I did prolly: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...egies-1148105/

    Last edited by savorxoxo; 05-06-2013 at 06:36 PM.
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    05-07-2013 , 09:13 PM
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    Originally Posted by savorxoxo
    I don't see anywhere in my post where i've implied it's possible to make money against a GTO strat, and i'm completely aware that it's impossible to do so. There's a reason it's called "exploitative" strategy, because the goal is to maximally exploit an opponent and therefore the more exploitable someone is (significance/amount of leaks) the more of an advantage it'll have over playing GTO because playing unexploitatively doesn't allow for you to take the most advantage over their leaks. Therefore it seems really obvious to me that the more exploitable a parcitular opponent is, the less incentive there is to apply a GTO strat as opposed to a strategy which maximally exploit all of them leaks.

    Here's a good thread I found which explains better than I did prolly: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...egies-1148105/
    Yea Its not like I don't get where you are coming from, its what I'm lead to believe atm, but I watched a video yesterday that said it was a misconception and you would actually crush fish more with GTO as a whole.

    Im nowhere near ready enough to argue this case, maybe we can have a better discussion on it in 6 months time
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    05-07-2013 , 09:36 PM
    Month going as good as I could have hoped for, Had what I think is my best online day today, taking $1350 off the tables.

    Total for month: $2400.

    If I reach 3K profit at any point in the month im calling off the freeroll, I dont want to be afraid to play on the last few days of the month if im hovering around the 3k mark(nit).

    MGOP is starting to look like it was the best investment Ive made with my game, its given me drive and new ways to look at improving my game. Has to be said GTO has given me a new spark for learning aswell.

    If things continue I should be able to shot 1/2 before the month is out making reaching the goal a real possibility.

    Few "LOL only on a heater" hands

    BINK


      Full Tilt, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #17354651

      Hero (BB): $249.60 (249.6 bb)
      SB: $56.45 (56.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with Q T
      SB raises to $3, Hero calls $2

      Flop: ($6) 6 9 7 (2 players)
      Hero checks, SB checks

      Turn: ($6) 8 (2 players)
      Hero bets $5, SB calls $5

      River: ($16) J (2 players)
      Hero checks, SB bets $16, Hero raises to $241.60 and is all-in, SB calls $32.45 and is all-in

      Spoiler:
      Results: $112.90 pot ($0.50 rake)
      Final Board: 6 9 7 8 J
      Hero showed Q T and won $112.40 ($55.95 net)
      SB mucked J T and lost (-$56.45 net)



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      Vrs super Aggro whale


        Full Tilt, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #17354661

        Hero (BB): $299.30 (598.6 bb)
        SB: $99.50 (199 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with Q K
        SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, SB calls $3

        Flop: ($9) 4 T J (2 players)
        Hero bets $5, SB raises to $24, Hero calls $19

        Turn: ($57) 6 (2 players)
        Hero checks, SB bets $57, Hero raises to $114, SB calls $14 and is all-in

        River: ($199) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)

        Spoiler:
        Results: $199 pot ($0.50 rake)
        Final Board: 4 T J 6 Q
        Hero showed Q K and won $198.50 ($99 net)
        SB showed J 2 and lost (-$99.50 net)



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        05-08-2013 , 11:04 AM
        mind posting link to the vid? 200nl action on stars have been great the last 5-6 days (twice as high as 100nl for me), i'd just start bumhunting limits as soon as you have 20'ish BI's and play regs at stakes you are properly rolled for
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        05-09-2013 , 02:04 PM
        Im not sure the exact video, looked through a few and blah blah GTO ep 1 kinda explains what im trying to say, if your a member of DC I guess I wont bother to explain it but rather let you listen.

        http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/...61-Episode-One

        Cant bring myself to try out a new level with less than 40 BI's

        Last edited by purrretrog; 05-09-2013 at 02:15 PM.
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        05-10-2013 , 03:45 PM
        yh think i've seen those vids, but if they're claiming gto has higher ev than a good exploitative strat against a weak opponent it's just wrong because it really makes no sence to sacrifice ev for balance versus a donk (which is basically what gto is). I made a post in poker theory about it, even though the subject derailed somewhat it seems like people agree: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15...-true-1330308/

        btw, are you getting this book? http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/33...ld-em-1299572/
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