OP was part time staked on a small site and barely played and lost a few $ on a really small sample and offered to still play lower limits untill he breakevens..

Don't see how he could be seen as shady at all.

let the microhaters hate

How is it shady and pathetic to point out something a bunch of other people thought as well? There was even a dude before him who said pretty much the same thing and you didn't go off at him about it. Congrats on the 10k man, but you need to watch your ego imo.

Graphs or Gtfo

If you decide to check/call flop after you 3betted you basically always have to c/r turn (for value). I mean yea you actually always have to c/r turn after checking flop if you play for value and turn bricks. If you think about his turn betting range (if he bets) we completely dominate it with AQ (-> AJ AT maybe even A9 -> KQ KJ KT -> QJ (and sometimes JT)) the rest is draws of which we get max 2 streets value anyways so c/r doesnt matter we just protect TP. River is guessinggame if he shoves KQ/AQ there it's already +ev

Did not notice that you didn't cbet. Thought you tried to cbet and then cr turn which I do some of the time. The big question is still when it is more +EV to take these unorthodox lines vs the std +EV line of bet 3x ? I think you need very good reads to deviate from the std line. VS unknown never do it. VS std TAG never do it. No reads -----> No tricky lines because you just miss value by not betting and you have no guarantee that your check will induce anything.

Flop AK5

You have 80%-20% equity advantage vs this std 3bet calling range: JJ-77,AQo-ATo,KQo-KTo,QJo-QTo,JTo,AQs-A2s,KQs-KTs,QJs-QTs,JTs-J9s,T9s-T8s,98s-97s,87s-86s,76s-75s,65s

You would be foolish not cbet for value unless you have some very good reads that says that checking will induce alot of madness and therefore I will no cbet even thou it is +EV because checking is more +EV. Did you have a read like that ? What kind of read would we even have to have in theory that would make checking more +EV than betting ?

On this flop villain has x combos of.
2pair+ 1
AQ 6
AJ-A2 30
KQ-KT 33
JJ-77/75-65 36
FD 11
GS 40
Total air 20.

He has a pair 60% of the time. 40% of the time air. How aggro he needs to be with this part of the range that checking >> betting ? Stabs once checks back turn unimproved plays river perfectly. One street gained from bluffing. Does not sound too good because he would called one street with big part of his air anyway (draws/floats). Stabs twice and gives up river. Bit better. Some draws might have called twice anyway. One big problem also is that people are afraid to bluff more than one street. This happens everywhere. Cbet the flop and giving up is the most standard line of any weak tag. Same when the original raiser checks to you. Stab once and give up. I think we need the villain to be the kind of who bets when checked to type of monkey that AQ would be more +EV to check than to cbet. Top of that he needs to bet all three streets with a gut shot.

phen, you need to learn that they are big differences between mathematical possible calling ranges and actual calling ranges

At the micros, you learn the whole range and try to learn how to play vs it, but once you move up you have to realize that those ranges are complete rubbish and need to make smaller ranges for each villain/situation which throws those idiotic math answers out of the window for most good players.

Maybe 10% of winners at 200+ could type whatever you typed there, most cant and do not care.

Didn't have to do any math when I posted that. Flopzilla gave me all those numbers I just copy pasted them . Ideally I think that your brain should work alot like flopzilla while playing. On certain flops it says that villain missed this flop most likely. Same thing on flopzilla means that he has air 70% time.

Don't consider myself any good at raw math. I struggle with pot odds, folding equity, implied odds etc. But if I 5bet shove T9s from the sb it is because I think I have folding equity. I don't know the exact number I have but on top of that I know I have around 30% equity when called. Using these numbers plus the feeling that I think this mofo is very likely to be 4bet bluffing I shove. Every player uses math. I could be alot better at it but the last post was not about math at all. It was about value betting and not being tricky without very, very good reads.

people who can afford to make those plays are usualy at highstakes within 3months of understanding basic winning poker. Others just become the annoying reg who barely wins.
But dont let me stop you, half the games are filled with those stagnant guys, they must be doing something right.

You talking about 5bet shoving T9s now ?

i didnt even read your whole post, poker does not work like that, thats the cardrunners micro4ever syndrome. I cant bring myself to ever read those posts completely.

Hi Phenom I really appreciate such analysis and I also did that quite a bunch of times on Pokerstrategy. But this time I must say your post doesn't make much sense for the simple reason that you didn't understand a c/c line in 3bet pots at all. I obviously didn't think I cbetted the flop lol the check was on purpose caus I'm actually holding TP vs a highly capped range that can't really improve alot ott.

I don't really remember that hand at all so eventually I can only make assumptions. Fairly standard spots for playing like that are that I'm up vs a reg I'd consider a slightly thinkingplayer + a recognized steal vs resteal dynamic. Playing that hand with giving random timing tells otf and ott making a small turn c/r to induce v 3b/lightcalls/ or mostlikely a fold just caus the dynamic and levelthinking lets me do that. Or; V has a high BIP + AF on flop and turn to make a c/c c/r line profitable or even both.

You gave a sorta good example by those flopzilla results (even tho you kinda messed it up given that Ax combs are wrong). Just a short thought about the draw stuff:
How many FD's does V have and how does he play them? How many times does he call 2 barrells how many times does he call 2 barrells with a GS (not gna talk about the rest of his range since we have it dominated anyways and it doesnt matter if we cbet or not). To keep things short he actually barrells his draws/gs twice and never barrells busteds on river anyways. How many times does he call my cbets with his draws? 1 time in a 3bet pot. Now reevaluate and think about what has a higher EV.

Eventually you will find out that giving the initiative to V is a good idea on that board.

And relating to that "not being tricky without very strong reads"; this is one of my default lines in restealpots with strong valuehands. I mean I don't even need reads lol. It's fairly std to let such players do their job on betting alot. But I'm just bad for calling the river caus I made the assumption that he never shoves anything worse than AQ but he never checks AQ ott. So yea you should rather bash me for calling river even tho we only need like 25% equity or so instead of talking about the c/c line otf.
It's just like one of those general leaks in my game. I feel fairly confident with the way I play and exploit people's stats and I have results that speak for that but I still can't make the most std river decisions...stuff like betting busted draws vs stations otr I never get off that and I always blow away 60-80BB in such hands with a successfrq of 10% or just like knowing that the only hands V shoves OTR have my AQ twopair toasted. It's kinda pathetic but I feel like the mainreason for those misplays are just such forums where everybody is writing stuff like ohlol you only need 30% equity snapcall fistpump lolol. The fact is that we never have 30% equity not in a billion years

Good job on hitting your goals man... imma catch you soon right after I beat the tilt monkey to death.

Something seems weird here. U were on about $5k for your challenge drop $2k, then say you're going to sleep, 24hrs later you've slept and made $7k back. you've been fastidiously posting hh's of your brag at moving up etc (which is fine, that's what these threads are here for). But a guy who's so keen to share stuff by starting a thread ad posting like you had so far in it, almost certainly would have posted hh's and graphs just like he had the rest of the thread. I dunno, it's weird and i don't want to say i think you're lying, just think it's weird.

What kind of timing tells induce betting in 3bet pots when you ch to them ?

I don't use a hud but I think this is pretty same as this ---->




Every line we come up will be profitable. We have a monster hand. We could just open shove and it would show profit. The big question is which line is the most profitable?

You don't call small Ax suited hands IP ? 4bet bluff them ? Villain has 13 combos of FDs in his range which means less than 7% of the time when he sees this flop. If we bet he will definately call atleast once. Maybe even twice. I see people pealing 2x without implied odds with FDs all the time. Much less with GSs. I think your logic falls apart in assuming that people stab with draws 2x alot. They don't. They stab once and give up and hope to hit. Just like your villain did in this hand. After good reads that villain is really aggro when checked to then all kinds of funky lines are good. CC-CR or CC 3x or straight up CR or but as a STD line I just think you miss value by not betting.

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Also wierd that u made this much so quickly and u havent been seen at the nl100 tables by a few regs inc myself

wtfff is going on here
but in saying that, prove us wrong post these graphs etc

Jason, you're better off replying here than sending me pm's. Look, i'm not saying you're lying, I'm saying parts of what you've written don't make sense, especially the last paragraph you pm'd me.

going by your posts: you posted your $5k graph, u then win $200 or so at 100nl, followed by dropping $500 at hu and then $2k at 400.... graph would then be at about $2.7k... 24 hours later you say challenge is done, so that means you would have had to have made $7.3k in that day?

you pm'd me and said you made 2,8k in a few hours, but if that's the case, that puts u back on around $5-$6k, which obviously isn't near to hitting the $10k challenge. I'm not trying to knock you down, just correct me if i'm wrong since it's bugging me that the numbers don't add up and worried that i'm the one adding them incorrectly?

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Jason is one of my new favourite posters to follow around. Funny **** happens when he's posting. WTF is going on in this thread?!?! Has he given a reason for not wanting to post the final graph? This all seems very bizarre. Agree with everything Ponty says. If he is lying that's the most random pathetic thing I've ever heard.

For another Jason laugh, here he takes on the whole of MSNL in the HH analysis thread, including challenging very good players to HU4ROLLZ at MS with his $10k roll (if it actually is $10k). lol

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/56...shove-1204073/

You can forget about the final graph. Post#73 he says that he had problems with HEM licensing. I take that to mean he got HEM for free and got caught or he just made that up to avoid posting the graph that doesn't exist.

Cmon man? Stop being so vague and tell us what's going on?

PM I sent to ponty
Okay let me just clear a few things up shortly:

- I never lied about anything in this blog
- I understand things got a bit missy since I didn't update anything from 24-27 at that point I was already playing NL200 and started taking shots on NL400 (and at that point the challenge was already done graphwise becaus I obv had 2k more graphwise than on my roll)
- I mean you could just check the stakingguy why would I not go on playing nl50/100 staked (100% profit for me and only RB to them) if I didn't have roll to play on stars.


Whatsoever I'll try to give a decent update about 24-30th.


24/05. I don't know my actual graphstate at the end of the day. even tho I dropped a bit I think it was close to 6k already caus I won a bunch of $ nl200zoom couldve been less couldve been more i dno i dnt care

25/05. cant even remember that day I think I played alot of HU though and also played my first nl200 HU session I think. don't know how much I was up but I assume it was a bunch of $

26/05 eventually shotted 400 zoom went up like 2.5k on that day again couldve been more couldve been less( challenge was done already graphwise at that point)

27/05 had my biggest losing session on nl600/400/200 zoom and dropped like 1.7k grinded it back anyways and when I made that update I think it was like 3 AM in germany ( so the 28th already) and I just won a few stack NL200 HU => had 26k FPPS and bought the 300$ stellar and my roll was somewhere at 6.8k euros)


So basically the challenge was done on 26th already.

@Khal. It's funny isn't it? I give a handanalysis and a bunch of NL1k regs state the complete opposite and even get fairly out of line. And then suddenly a wild Sauce123 appears and actually approves my analysis (same for Internet in PMchat and MtW-Davin in skype). Perfect example for what 2+2 has come to. 98% of the so called NL1k regs are actually complete dog****. i mean lmao I remember girah posting hands here and got flamed so hard even after making huge and correct analysis.

I was srs about the hu4rolls. but scumregs are scumregs


@Phenom. You still miss the point of playing c/c in resteal pots I don't really know what to comment on your analysis. I stated my opinion you stated yours. I think mine is better but that's poker.

Nothing more to add. I'm done with pgc anyways.

And since I wrote such a nice diary I can actually add the $ myself by what I wrote:
24/ close to 6k
25/ +1.5k~ = 7.5k~
26/ +2.5k~ = 10k~
27/ biggest losing session -1.7k. Got it back with 350$ stars bonus and nl200 though
28/ didn't grind
29/ eventually got my roll on 10k I think at that point it was exactly 9800$ (as in the screenshot)


and btw just realized i posted my roll on 30/05 -> so it could actually been a bit less on everyday since again my roll was always 2.5k$ below the graph.

so ya bye pgc

don't think you can really blame people for not believing it'd happened.

on the internet + poker these days = be suspicious of everything

i agree it didn't really seem right, but congrats man. really sick to make that much so quickly. Gl and hope you keep moving up

Haha, okay bro. How you get mtw-davin on skype? He is 100% PLO player these days though right, so not sure how I take that? Fwiw, although I think you are being way pessimistic in range assumptions in that thread, I disagree with people saying it's a fist pump snap, I do think it's kinda close. I think people in that thread got a bit pissed off with how you are playing below them, you're not a renowned 2p2 persona, and you came in acting like you knew it all and everyone else was wrong and an idiot. I know people like Sauce and Internet said it was a close spot but they'd probably call, but that really isn't quite in line with your thinking "it's a standard bet/fold, lol at everyone who disagrees". You get where I coming from? Just tone it down a bit next time and you'll get your point across better and be attacked less.